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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary'><span style="font-size:24px;"><span style="font-family:georgia, serif;">The blindingly obvious political attack that every 2016 candidate should use against Hillary</span></span></a></p>
'>NOT The Onion</a> (August, 2011)</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary'>http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary</a></span></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/world/africa/29diplo.html?_r=0'>NOT The Onion</a> (August, 2011)</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theonion.com/article/america-gets-set-to-enjoy-month-or-so-of-libya-see-21228'>The (ACTUAL) Onion</a> (August 2011)</p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;font-size:16.002px;">GRAND RAPIDS, MI—Americans across the nation told reporters Wednesday that with the collapse of Muammar Qaddafi’s despotic regime, they were preparing to savor the next month or so of Libya seeming like an inspirational symbol of freedom. “We’ve got a nice four weeks of thinking Libya represents a triumph of liberty before the situation begins to deteriorate and some new form of authoritarianism inevitably asserts itself,†said Michigan-based architect Wes Reinhorn, adding that while he was looking forward to the nation potentially <strong>serving as a model for other Arab countries</strong>, he would eventually realize the situation in the region was very complex, and any hope he had of Libya transforming things for the better would presumably fade away by October. “We should all enjoy this stirring image of Libya as a beacon of democracy before Islamists or a new military strongman moves in to fill the power vacuum.†<strong>Other Americans, however, said that after a month of looking to Libya as a symbol of freedom, they planned to simply stop paying attention to the nation altogether.</strong></span></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theonion.com/article/america-gets-set-to-enjoy-month-or-so-of-libya-see-21228'>http://www.theonion.com/article/america-gets-set-to-enjoy-month-or-so-of-libya-see-21228</a></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/world/middleeast/isis-grip-on-libyan-city-gives-it-a-fallback-option.html'>NOT The Onion</a> (November, 2014)</p>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">MISURATA, Libya — Iraqi commanders have been arriving from Syria, and <strong>the first public beheadings have started</strong>. The local radio stations no longer play music but instead extol the greatness of the Islamic State’s self-proclaimed caliph, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">When the Libyan arm of the Islamic State first raised the group’s black flag over the coastal city of Surt almost one year ago, it was just a bunch of local militants trying to look tough.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Today Surt is an <strong>actively managed colony of the central Islamic State, crowded with foreign fighters from around the region, according to residents, local militia leaders and hostages recently released from the city’s main prison. </strong>[...]</span></div>
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<div><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/world/middleeast/isis-grip-on-libyan-city-gives-it-a-fallback-option.html'>http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/world/middleeast/isis-grip-on-libyan-city-gives-it-a-fallback-option.html</a></div>
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<p>Bizarre post. Big difference between urban guerrilla conflict and ww2. Especially when yr conscripts include supporters of the people ur trying to eradicate<br><br>
Factor in a lack of political will and you get a monumental cluster fuck.</p>
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<p>Probably would be easier if the "bad guys" all wore a distinctive uniform to tell them apart from the rest. Then the great powers like the USA would have to do something about getting rid of them...</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="reprobate" data-cid="545671" data-time="1449006663"><p>hillary is such a fluffybunny. that 9-11 answer to wall street funding was just magic.</p></blockquote>
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She sure is , as far as election bribes go this one is awesome.<br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/30/hillary-clinton-floats-275b-infrastructure-plan/?page=all">http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/30/hillary-clinton-floats-275b-infrastructure-plan/?page=all</a> -
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<p>the majority of politicians reek of being prepared to say and do just about anything to get and/or maintain power, but <em><strong>she out-stinks just about all of them i reckon.</strong></em></p>
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<p>I would suggest you take a look at Carly Fiorina & her comments on planned parenthood to win votes.</p>
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<p>Hillary, like Romney, Jeb, Obama, Rubio, any mainstream candidate, will lie through her teeth to get funding, and take funding from anyone. Because American politics is all about funding. But she (like the others) has limits over the levers she will pull to get headlines. The likes of Cruz, Jesse Jackson, Fiorina, Trump etc do not have those limits.</p>
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<p>Theres a LOT out there worse than Hillary. Hell Dick Cheney worked at Halliburton. Became VP. Left Haliburton - with a Haliburton pension & <em><strong>stock options.</strong></em> Handed Iraq to Halliburton on cost plus deals. Donated his Haliburton option profits, to his own foundation. Tony Blair has made millions advising anyone who will pay - including the Saudis.</p>
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<p>Bill is financially shadier than Hillary, but he's just so damn likeable.</p>
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<p>But I'll take financial shadiness over lying about aborted fetuses being cut up alive & defending terrorism, or deporting 5 year olds anytime. Money is predictable & rational, idiology scares me. </p> -
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary'><span style="font-size:24px;"><span style="font-family:georgia, serif;">The blindingly obvious political attack that every 2016 candidate should use against Hillary</span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary'>http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary</a></span></p>
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<p>Clinton comes across as a crazy nutcase in this video.</p>
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<p>Surely the US wouldn't elect her as President would they. When it came to the crunch</p> -
At the start of the election for the new labour leader Corbyn was added to the ballot as a sort of token option . It was assumed he wouldn't win but he came in on a landslide . <br>
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<p>At the start of the election for the new labour leader Corbyn was added to the ballot as a sort of token option . It was assumed he wouldn't win but he came in on a landslide .<br>
I wouldn't count out Hillary, she has the democratic nomination sewn up doesn't she?</p>
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<p>Yep, no chance of her not getting the Dem nomination. Tho' I thought she'd beat Obama, run for 2 terms with him as VP & he'd now be running. God that would have been a slam dunk....</p>
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<p>Presidential I still think Rubio has a very good shot, but he is having to wade so deep in crazy at the moment that he will have said something very unhelpful at some stage. Thats the issue wiith the Republicans, because 8/12th of the card is batshit crazy its incredibly hard to stay on the card & at not, at some stage be forced to agree that yes, all Mexicans are rapists, or corporations are people too, or women are too simple to decide shit like contraceptiuon. Then wham, its election time & you have to go "well... thats not what I meant!"</p>
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Yep, no chance of her not getting the Dem nomination. Tho' I thought she'd beat Obama, run for 2 terms with him as VP & he'd now be running. God that would have been a slam dunk....<br><br>
Presidential I still think Rubio has a very good shot, but he is having to wade so deep in crazy at the moment that he will have said something very unhelpful at some stage. Thats the issue wiith the Republicans, because 8/12th of the card is batshit crazy its incredibly hard to stay on the card & at not, at some stage be forced to agree that yes, all Mexicans are rapists, or corporations are people too, or women are too simple to decide shit like contraceptiuon. Then wham, its election time & you have to go "well... thats not what I meant!"<br><br>
The Republicans probably have the best candidates, but are hamstrung by an awful process they have set up.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Being the leftie that I am, I prefer the Democrats to the Republicans, but the process isn't the issue for the Republicans, it's that much of their base is far right religious wackos.</p>
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<p>Nate Silver was pointing out the other day that part of the issue with the primary's was that Trump or Carson (so the insane) have 25%. But thats 25% of <strong><em>registered republicans</em></strong>, So really thats 25% of 25% of the Republican party. IE the people actively polling right now are a tiny chunk, but being treated as if they were half of America.</p>
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<p>Its why Silver still has Trump at fuck all chance in the election, even now.</p>
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<p>While I agree a lot of the Republicans are guns, no abotions, slavery is OK, kill mexicans, its nowhere near as many as the press would suggest by constantly refering to the polls.</p> -
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<p>Nate Silver was pointing out the other day that part of the issue with the primary's was that Trump or Carson (so the insane) have 25%. But thats 25% of <strong><em>registered republicans</em></strong>, So really thats 25% of 25% of the Republican party. IE the people actively polling right now are a tiny chunk, but being treated as if they were half of America.</p>
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<p>Its why Silver still has Trump at fuck all chance in the election, even now.</p>
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<p>While I agree a lot of the Republicans are guns, no abortions, slavery is OK, kill mexicans, its nowhere near as many as the press would suggest by constantly refering to the polls.</p>
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<p>Agreed, the parties are both broad churches, and how far left or right the parties are varies by state/region e.g. New York Republicans can be to the left of the Texan Democrats, so the vocal wackos don't actually define either party in terms of percentage of total membership, and taken across the whole USA, there's some overlap between the parties' beliefs.</p>
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<p>However, a big issue for the Republicans is that the Tea Partiers in particular are all about far right activism, so they actively campaign and warp the primaries in the more right-wing states, which is the Republican bread and butter. Winning New York in the Republican primaries isn't enormously helpful because they can't win it in the Presidential election (NY is a Democrat stronghold), so being overly centrist leads to being labelled a RINO, which is death in the more rural and southern states. That leads the candidates to double down on the wackery to get the nomination, and then get thumped in the actual election because moderate Republicans don't want a bar of the final candidate.</p> -
Just regards that last part. What recent repub candidates has that applied to? Both McCain and Romney would have lost regardless of what they said during the republican primaries. <br><br>
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<p>Just regards that last part. What recent repub candidates has that applied to? Both McCain and Romney would have lost regardless of what they said during the republican primaries.<br><br>
Gollum/Mogwai: Do you honestly believe that some Republicans think slavery is ok?</p>
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<p>On the first bit, Romney had some terrible baggage from the primaries with things like his speech to fund raisers where he talked about the 47% of americans who pay no tax & how he didn't care about them. I agree both struggled regardles, but the fund raising base (especially the likes of the Koch brothers) are so right, that anything a candidate says to pander to them, if it gets leaked, is gold for an attack ad.</p>
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<p>Some of the stuff Rubio is having to say re immigration is going to bite him in the arse come the race.</p>
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<p>On the second bit, I think there are still Republicans who would be cool with segregation. Its not that long ago that Strom Thurmond was getting in & a saint. Hell, he's cstill revered. While I don't think any Republicans want slavery, a LOT don't think it was wrong & would argue it actually helped black americans, as it got them to America, so they should, you know, be a bit more grateful. Or go back to africa.</p> -
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On the first bit, Romney had some terrible baggage from the primaries with things like his speech to fund raisers where he talked about the 47% of americans who pay no tax & how he didn't care about them. I agree both struggled regardles, but the fund raising base (especially the likes of the Koch brothers) are so right, that anything a candidate says to pander to them, if it gets leaked, is gold for an attack ad.<br><br>
Some of the stuff Rubio is having to say re immigration is going to bite him in the arse come the race.<br><br>
On the second bit, I think there are still Republicans who would be cool with segregation. Its not that long ago that Strom Thurmond was getting in & a saint. Hell, he's cstill revered. While I don't think any Republicans want slavery, a LOT don't think it was wrong & would argue it actually helped black americans, as it got them to America, so they should, you know, be a bit more grateful. Or go back to africa.</p></blockquote>
Did Romney actually say exactly that? I remember the issue but cant recall it being a decisive factor in the election. A rich Mormon from Boston will always struggle to become president. Can't recall Bush or McCain being particularly weighed down by any stance taken during the primaries.<br><br>
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<p>Did Romney actually say exactly that? I remember the issue but cant recall it being a decisive factor in the election. A rich Mormon from Boston will always struggle to become president. Can't recall Bush or McCain being particularly weighed down by any stance taken during the primaries.<br><br>
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<p>Yeah, he did, but it was sort of out of context, he was saying he didn't care about them from a voting pioint of view, as they would bnever vote for him. But it very much came across as "I just don't care about them"</p>
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<p>Bush was pre Tea Patry so not so hamstrung, while McCain just chose a tea party darling as his running mate, tho' that was sort of at the dawn of the Tea Party. Now with the Tea Party being so strong - and that is a new thing, they have to pander</p>
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<p>Re the last part, Oh god yes. Throw a stick & you can hit 20 republican govenors, candidates, legislators etc who will give you that.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/barbour-bryant-lead-in-mississippi.html'>http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/barbour-bryant-lead-in-mississippi.html</a></p>
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<p>"We asked voters on this poll whether <em><strong>they think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal</strong></em>- 46% of Mississippi Republicans said it should be illegal to just 40% who think it should be legal. For the most part there aren't any huge divides in how voters view the candidates or who they support for the nomination based on their attitudes about interracial marriage but there are a few exceptions.<br><br>
Palin's net favorability with folks who think interracial marriage should be illegal (+55 at 74/19) is 17 points higher than it is with folks who think interracial marriage should be legal (+38 at 64/26.) Meanwhile Romney's favorability numbers see the opposite trend. He's at +23 (53/30) with voters who think interracial marriage should be legal but 19 points worse at +4 (44/40) with those who think it should be illegal."</p>
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<p>Yeah... that 2011. And 46% of Miss. Republicans think it should be illegal. And they overwhelmingly supported Tea Party Palin.</p>
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<p>Or Rand Paul -</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052003500.html'>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052003500.html</a></p>
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<p>Saying that while he supports civil rights, if you want to put up a "No Blacks" sign in your bar, well, thats sort of freedom of speech & the government should stay out of your business. Sort of. Then desperately trying to go "I didn't really mean that" as fast as he can. While several major Repulicansd step very carefully away from him while trying to not saying anything.</p>
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<p>I like this guy too, and he does do exactly what I posted, in his book about american conservatists. -</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jon-hubbard-arkansas-slavery-book_n_1943661.html'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jon-hubbard-arkansas-slavery-book_n_1943661.html</a></p>
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<p>“… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.â€</p>
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<p>Yeah, he did, but it was sort of out of context, he was saying he didn't care about them from a voting pioint of view, as they would bnever vote for him. But it very much came across as "I just don't care about them"</p>
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<p>Bush was pre Tea Patry so not so hamstrung, while McCain just chose a tea party darling as his running mate, tho' that was sort of at the dawn of the Tea Party. Now with the Tea Party being so strong - and that is a new thing, they have to pander</p>
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<p>Re the last part, Oh god yes. Throw a stick & you can hit 20 republican govenors, candidates, legislators etc who will give you that.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/barbour-bryant-lead-in-mississippi.html'>http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/barbour-bryant-lead-in-mississippi.html</a></p>
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<p>"We asked voters on this poll whether <em><strong>they think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal</strong></em>- 46% of Mississippi Republicans said it should be illegal to just 40% who think it should be legal. For the most part there aren't any huge divides in how voters view the candidates or who they support for the nomination based on their attitudes about interracial marriage but there are a few exceptions.<br><br>
Palin's net favorability with folks who think interracial marriage should be illegal (+55 at 74/19) is 17 points higher than it is with folks who think interracial marriage should be legal (+38 at 64/26.) Meanwhile Romney's favorability numbers see the opposite trend. He's at +23 (53/30) with voters who think interracial marriage should be legal but 19 points worse at +4 (44/40) with those who think it should be illegal."</p>
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<p>Yeah... that 2011. And 46% of Miss. Republicans think it should be illegal. And they overwhelmingly supported Tea Party Palin.</p>
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<p>Or Rand Paul -</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052003500.html'>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052003500.html</a></p>
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<p>Saying that while he supports civil rights, if you want to put up a "No Blacks" sign in your bar, well, thats sort of freedom of speech & the government should stay out of your business. Sort of. Then desperately trying to go "I didn't really mean that" as fast as he can. While several major Repulicansd step very carefully away from him while trying to not saying anything.</p>
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<p>I like this guy too, and he does do exactly what I posted, in his book about american conservatists. -</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jon-hubbard-arkansas-slavery-book_n_1943661.html'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jon-hubbard-arkansas-slavery-book_n_1943661.html</a></p>
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<p>“… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.â€</p>
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<p>He's an elected member of the Arkansas house of representitives.</p>
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<p>You said yourself that candidates will say anything to get funding. God knows what they say in private. In this case, Romney was in a private setting and it was not something that he said during the primaries to garner votes.</p>
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<p>McCain had already won the nomination before he chose Palin as his running mate. Palin was practically unknown at the time and had no major support base McCain could tap into. Very poor example.</p>
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<p>With regards to that poll, is Mississippi the best example to use here? It's a small, poor state with a very sordid history of racism. The interesting thing about these polls regarding interracial marriage is that there is often a very high percentage who say they are in favour, until they are asked if they would approve of a close relative marrying someone of another race. How many Democrat-voting blacks in Mississippi (or anywhere for that matter) would approve of their children marrying someone white?</p>
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<p>Rand Paul is, like his father, an uber-Libertarian who hates Govt. Stupid comments to be sure, but do you honestly think he was expressing support for segregation or slavery?</p>
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<p>And does that last comment in any way justify or advocate slavery or segregation? IIRC, blacks like Thomas Sowell have made similar comments.</p>
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<p>Ultimately, you've presented nothing that justifies your original remark, i.e. that some Republicans think slavery is ok.</p> -
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<p>You said yourself that candidates will say anything to get funding. God knows what they say in private. In this case, Romney was in a private setting and it was not something that he said during the primaries to garner votes.</p>
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<p>McCain had already won the nomination before he chose Palin as his running mate. Palin was practically unknown at the time and had no major support base McCain could tap into. Very poor example.</p>
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<p>With regards to that poll, is Mississippi the best example to use here? It's a small, poor state with a very sordid history of racism. The interesting thing about these polls regarding interracial marriage is that there is often a very high percentage who say they are in favour, until they are asked if they would approve of a close relative marrying someone of another race. How many Democrat-voting blacks in Mississippi (or anywhere for that matter) would approve of their children marrying someone white?</p>
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<p>Rand Paul is, like his father, an uber-Libertarian who hates Govt. Stupid comments to be sure, but do you honestly think he was expressing support for segregation or slavery?</p>
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<p>And does that last comment in any way justify or advocate slavery or segregation? IIRC, blacks like Thomas Sowell have made similar comments.</p>
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<p>Ultimately, you've presented nothing that justifies your original remark, i.e. that some Republicans think slavery is ok.</p>
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<p>Rand Paul is named after Ayn Rand, I'm surprised he's even running for govt. Libertarians who follow that evil cow usually see govt as a form of collectivism and loathe it Ron Swanson style.</p> -
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<p>A common misconception. Rand is actually short for Randal. But yes, the fear or hate of govt is strong in that one.</p>
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<p>Good to know, I'd hate to be named after this weirdo <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/romancing-the-stone-cold.html'>http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/romancing-the-stone-cold.html</a></p>
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