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Some silly stuff happening from reports from a colleague.
Police etc going door-to-door, or stopping people at checkpoints, in the cities that have had their holidays increased, and taking temperatures. This is just a way to generate false positives, whether by the far more common colds and flu's or statistical chance, and putting people who are uninfected, or already ill with another disease, and placing them in contact with the genuinely infected.
This is also a massively stupid way to squander hospital resources. Triage? Have you heard of it motherfucker?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Australia's response is to put Australian citizens coming back from Wuchan into an Immigration detention centre on Christmas Island. That's right, citizenship means nothing here and you can be interned on an Island excised from Australia's migration zone.
Would you prefer a more inclusive quarantine program? Is this where we are now? Why can't we quarrantine people but keep them integrated into the community at the same time?
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@Tim said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@rotated They have hospitals in Australia, right?
Given Australia's geographic advantage of being on a dirty big island isolating these few early confirmed cases is the best possible thing they can do to stop the spread. Having them treated at Campbelltown General next to Bob who just had a hip operation and Steve who got his appendix out seems sub-optimal. Unless there is a major metropolitan research hospital which has the isolation areas and treatmant facilities available this seems like the only sensible solution.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@rotated They're citizens, and Australia has many hospitals with quarantine facilities.
This a government led evacuation done on their dime and initiative - I have zero problem with them setting the rules on how they want to proceed. Current estimates are 600 people will be evacuated - from a logistical standpoint and for tracking and monitoring purposes keeping the group in one place surely makes better sense than letting them return to their local GP or hospital.
If the government is offering an evacuation either take it or leave it.
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It's a pointless initiative. The virus is already here, we're months behind the ability to quarantine it:
The number of people in NSW under investigation for coronavirus has jumped from six to 16, the state health authority has confirmed. NSW Health said there was no cause for alarm over the increase as testing is simply "ramping up". Four people in Sydney and two in Victoria have returned positive results for novel coronavirus which originated at a seafood market in Wuhan, China. NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said two of the four Sydney patients have improved significantly and are almost ready to be discharged from Westmead Hospital. "They are moving towards being totally recovered," she said. There are 16 patients, 10 male and six female, waiting on test results today whose ages range from 2 to 66. All are in isolation.
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It's one thing to have 16 confirmed cases, but another thing entirely to allow a planeload of 600 likely infected people onto our shores.
I'm with rotated (again, this is weird, twice in two weeks). Christmas Island is the perfect spot, and given we have no obligation to evacuate our citizens I would think those 600 would be quite happy with that outcome.
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What about the residents of Christmas Island though? Who I learned today do not even have the right to vote. It was part of Singapore until 1958 when Australia petitioned the UK to give it to them (because of the phosphate).
Since then it seems a dumping ground for any of Aussies problems.
For the second consecutive day - not meaning to be overly woke, but that's a pretty shameful record of exploitation.
Plus it's a bit disingenuous to suggest all 600 evacuees will have contracted the virus.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What about the residents of Christmas Island though? Who I learned today do not even have the right to vote. It was part of Singapore until 1958 when Australia petitioned the UK to give it to them (because of the phosphate).
Since then it seems a dumping ground for any of Aussies problems.
For the second consecutive day - not meaning to be overly woke, but that's a pretty shameful record of exploitation.
Plus it's a bit disingenuous to suggest all 600 evacuees will have contracted the virus.
I don’t think that’s woke at all . I had no idea about that either , that’s bloody awful.
Is SERCO taking care of the 600 or is it part of the government?
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
It's one thing to have 16 confirmed cases, but another thing entirely to allow a planeload of 600 likely infected people onto our shores.
What makes them likely? The low level of confirmed cases thus far? You do know we can screen for it on arrival and treat them in existing hospitals like a proper first world nation?
Particularly given since it was reported it doesn't seem to be any worse than influenza both in terms of contagiousness and virulence:
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.
Then there's the issue that it wouldn't make a lick of difference anyway given the amount of flights that have been conducted. Here's a snapshot of flights in the air now:
What does the government intend to do for those flights out of Wuhan that went to Bali, Singapore, KL, etc because no one travels from those locations to here.
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@jegga said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What about the residents of Christmas Island though? Who I learned today do not even have the right to vote. It was part of Singapore until 1958 when Australia petitioned the UK to give it to them (because of the phosphate).
Since then it seems a dumping ground for any of Aussies problems.
For the second consecutive day - not meaning to be overly woke, but that's a pretty shameful record of exploitation.
Plus it's a bit disingenuous to suggest all 600 evacuees will have contracted the virus.
I don’t think that’s woke at all . I had no idea about that either , that’s bloody awful.
Is SERCO taking care of the 600 or is it part of the government?
Gets better - the government wants those people interned on the island to make a contribution to the cost.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
It's one thing to have 16 confirmed cases, but another thing entirely to allow a planeload of 600 likely infected people onto our shores.
What makes them likely? The low level of confirmed cases thus far? You do know we can screen for it on arrival and treat them in existing hospitals like a proper first world nation?
Particularly given since it was reported it doesn't seem to be any worse than influenza both in terms of contagiousness and virulence:
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.
Then there's the issue that it wouldn't make a lick of difference anyway given the amount of flights that have been conducted. Here's a snapshot of flights in the air now:
What does the government intend to do for those flights out of Wuhan that went to Bali, Singapore, KL, etc because no one travels from those locations to here.
It's the world we live in. People are so mobile that it will be everywhere soon and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@jegga said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What about the residents of Christmas Island though? Who I learned today do not even have the right to vote. It was part of Singapore until 1958 when Australia petitioned the UK to give it to them (because of the phosphate).
Since then it seems a dumping ground for any of Aussies problems.
For the second consecutive day - not meaning to be overly woke, but that's a pretty shameful record of exploitation.
Plus it's a bit disingenuous to suggest all 600 evacuees will have contracted the virus.
I don’t think that’s woke at all . I had no idea about that either , that’s bloody awful.
Is SERCO taking care of the 600 or is it part of the government?
Gets better - the government wants those people interned on the island to make a contribution to the cost.
Nice. A fortnight of SERCO rice and chicken and they make you pay for it, Morrison really needs to change pr firms.
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@jegga said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@jegga said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What about the residents of Christmas Island though? Who I learned today do not even have the right to vote. It was part of Singapore until 1958 when Australia petitioned the UK to give it to them (because of the phosphate).
Since then it seems a dumping ground for any of Aussies problems.
For the second consecutive day - not meaning to be overly woke, but that's a pretty shameful record of exploitation.
Plus it's a bit disingenuous to suggest all 600 evacuees will have contracted the virus.
I don’t think that’s woke at all . I had no idea about that either , that’s bloody awful.
Is SERCO taking care of the 600 or is it part of the government?
Gets better - the government wants those people interned on the island to make a contribution to the cost.
Nice. A fortnight of SERCO rice and chicken and they make you pay for it, Morrison really needs to change pr firms.
That's what he was ringing Jacinda for when she sent him straight to voicemail
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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@jegga said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@jegga said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What about the residents of Christmas Island though? Who I learned today do not even have the right to vote. It was part of Singapore until 1958 when Australia petitioned the UK to give it to them (because of the phosphate).
Since then it seems a dumping ground for any of Aussies problems.
For the second consecutive day - not meaning to be overly woke, but that's a pretty shameful record of exploitation.
Plus it's a bit disingenuous to suggest all 600 evacuees will have contracted the virus.
I don’t think that’s woke at all . I had no idea about that either , that’s bloody awful.
Is SERCO taking care of the 600 or is it part of the government?
Gets better - the government wants those people interned on the island to make a contribution to the cost.
Nice. A fortnight of SERCO rice and chicken and they make you pay for it, Morrison really needs to change pr firms.
That's what he was ringing Jacinda for when she sent him straight to voicemail
She would have probably told him to get pregnant, it’s worked for her
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