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  • sharkS Offline
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    Some suggestions in the media the last couple of days that NZR would push harder for a share of the takings on the EOYT, should it proceed. And they might seek World Rugby backing to do so. Then I read also that the England RFU is looking at a $100m hole (converted) and they're already on the offensive re SH teams looking for more money.

    Lastly, World Rugby made about $350m from the last RWC, and $375m from the 2015 RWC. I know a lot of that would be re-invested into various tournaments and events over a four year cycle, but now might be the time to put a hold on some of those events and throw some cash at the member unions.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/120667825/pacific-islands-rugby-welfare-chief-dan-leo-pushes-for-revenue-sharing-recognition

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    Just play hard ball. WR is in no position to dictate pre Covid rules if they want to re-establish the international game.
    Why would anyone do a loss making tour to benefit the country they are touring?
    For the hosts it is simple. Share or get nothing.

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    @Crucial said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:

    Just play hard ball. WR is in no position to dictate pre Covid rules if they want to re-establish the international game.
    Why would anyone do a loss making tour to benefit the country they are touring?
    For the hosts it is simple. Share or get nothing.

    100%. If they don't they may not have teams to play against.

    On the bright side, this makes overseas opportunities less attractive to our talent. We may be more than just a talent development piece

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    @Crucial said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:

    For the hosts it is simple. Share or get nothing.

    Yep.

    I expect that the NPC will be played in that Nov/Dec window if SR can't resume in time.

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    I doubt that there will be a November tour this year.

    If there was, I'd assume it would be revenue shared or not at all.

    In the case of not at all, the 6N unions have the option to replay some of the abandoned 6 Nations games.
    I'd imagine SANZAAR's option 1 would be to play a delayed version of TRC during that time, but I can see difficulties expecting a tournament covering 3 continents and an island - all coming out of restrictions at the same time.

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    I also doubt the there will be any EOYT this year. WR needs to take a chance to survey the rubble and reset. Remember that there were other options for the world game being bandied around prior to all of this.

    As for NZ Rugby, we may be in a position to create a one-off comp with existing frameworks being bolstered by overseas stars and marketed internationally while things get sorted out.

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    @Crucial said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:

    Just play hard ball. WR is in no position to dictate pre Covid rules if they want to re-establish the international game.
    Why would anyone do a loss making tour to benefit the country they are touring?
    For the hosts it is simple. Share or get nothing.

    i understand the sentiment, and i am not ignorant of the economic realities but...

    because it is sport, and the beauty of rugby is the strength of the international game. I want the ABs to play away, and in all honesty, personally the money involved means nothing to me.

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    I'd rather the ABs play at home this year, than away.

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    Organise an alternative PNC: NZ, Australia, Fiji, Samoa and Tonga, if the COVID19 status of these nations allows it.

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    The RFU ain't going to allow 50:50 revenue of an international at Twickenham. They have their own bills to pay.

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    @sparky said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:

    The RFU ain't going to allow 50:50 revenue of an international at Twickenham. They have their own bills to pay.

    And so do their opposition. No opposition to play means no income so there will surely be room to accommodate some sort of revenue sharing that is an awful lot better than that embarrassingly shocking one that involved England and Fiji a couple of years back

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    @Higgins If the NZRU refuse to send a team, they'll arrange an extra test with Wales or Japan and fill Twickenham anyway. A large proportion of the Twickenham crowd don't come to watch the Rugby. This is especially true on a Sunday.

    That said, a crowd of 8 people gathering in the UK seems a long way off at the moment, let alone 82,000.

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    @sparky That may be true but Wales will need to be able to finance their team and other than Six Nations games the only other side that fills most of the NOrthern grounds to capacity is the All Blacks.

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    @Higgins said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:

    @sparky That may be true but Wales will need to be able to finance their team and other than Six Nations games the only other side that fills most of the NOrthern grounds to capacity is the All Blacks.

    Wrong, Twickenham makes a lot of its money from debenitures which are sold years in advance. Almost all games against Tier One nations are 82,000 sell outs. Lots of the crowd aren't really there to watch Rugby, but to have a sing song with thousands of others with bars nearby.

    Given England is losing 700 people a day to the Coronavirus at the moment and the UK PM is in hospital. Threatening them at the moment (especially with a basically empty threat) is an appalling negotiation strategy.

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    Over 340 out of 500 odd RFU employees are currently furloughed are receivcing 85% of their wages through thr UK government's bailout scheme.

    Getting most of them back to work and making up its £50 million shortfall will byethe RFU's main priorities.

    Some interesting quotes from RFU boss Bill Sweeney here, talking about maximising their revenue in the Autumn but acknowledging major changes to the global game are now necessary.

    Redirect Notice
    Apr 4, 2020  /  Sport

    RFU hopes to avoid using autumn international proceeds to help others

    RFU hopes to avoid using autumn international proceeds to help others

    The RFU is hoping it will not have to offer struggling governing bodies elsewhere any financial handouts after the autumn internationals, according to its chief executive, Bill Sweeney

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52149160

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    I'm sure revenue sharing can be worked out so everyone makes money.

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    Hopefully Sweeney is being honest when he says this could help the game long term. I'm sure he's hoping this will help get private premiership clubs under control. The real fly in the ointment is CVC, as they don't give a shit about anything but their money.

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    @Machpants Stand alone internationals make little sense financially. I supect to see some move towards a global season which the RFU will welcome so long as it doesn't threaten the cash cow of the 6 Nations.

    The club game in Europe has been pissing away money for years. I expect to see National unions in the north try to exert more discipline and control on how money gets spent. Post-COVID 19, I wouldn't be surprised to see global playoffs between HEC and Super Rugby finalists.

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    How cash strapped are the clubs? Traditionally the biggest obstacle to anything sensible in rationalising the professional calendar.

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