Coronavirus - Australia
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I wonder if this graph doesn't paint as good a picture as the pure numbers suggest? While it overseas transmission case are dropping as expected, known local and unknown local transmission cases have risen in the last three days. We don't want to see these keep rising.
https://infogram.com/1pp9yn3e17yp9nur195gj1n7p6bz9vyyk7r
Edit: I can't figure out how to make that graph a pic.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - Australia:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12322629
That's disgraceful and should be grounds for the dismissal of the police commissioner. It's perfectly clear that the doctor on board provided NSW Health with information and they fucked up in their response.
If there's an investigation, it should be handled by ICAC. From the pathetic attempt to pass the buck to Border Force, to blaming Carnival when NSW were informed of the respiratory issues unrelated to influenza were discovered on board prior to the green light given to the disembarkation of the passengers.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
If there's an investigation, it should be handled by ICAC. From the pathetic attempt to pass the buck to Border Force, to blaming Carnival when NSW were informed of the respiratory issues unrelated to influenza were discovered on board prior to the green light given to the disembarkation of the passengers.
Maybe I'm really missing something, but I genuinely don't get the Ruby Princess saga. Can someone explain it to me?
I get the process was likely bungled and spitting two thousand-odd infected cruisers onto the docks wasn't a great idea.
But the facts seem to be around 400 infected and 11 dead from the ship itself, but only 11 secondary infections among non-cruisers. So it's not like it was responsible for a massive community spread.
Is there a scenario where the on-ship outbreak could have been prevented by Government? All I can think is actually take the passengers off earlier, but I haven't seen anyone suggesting that in their criticisms.
A part of me thinks this is just a lightning rod for people to latch onto - 'the Government fcked this whole thing up' - when actually it's an outlier example of what has to this date been a pretty coherent response by Government (though I acknowledge some will disagree).
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Is there a scenario where the on-ship outbreak could have been prevented by Government?
Is this really the main criticism of this? I think the criticism is allowing people to just leave and get out into the general public.
And it's really not about the damage that has been caused/hasn't been caused, but the damage that could potentially be caused. We may not actually know yet if it's responsible for a community spread due to how the testing has been carried out (hopefully it hasn't and all those people let loose were past the infectious stage).
As you note the process was likely bungled - when govt/govt departments bungle stuff it gets criticism, media coverage and govt investigations. Why should this be any different?
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
As you note the process was likely bungled - when govt/govt departments bungle stuff it gets criticism, media coverage and govt investigations. Why should this be any different?
Oh of course. I don't object to coverage of these things.
Maybe just the hyperbole. I've seen it called 'the most incompetent decision of all time', which I think is a bit much.
Or I'm just going stir crazy.
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As at 3pm yesterday there were 5,687 cases in Australia. 34 deaths, 91 people currently in ICU and 408 currently in hospital. 297,154 tests conducted with a positive result of 1.9%
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As at 3pm today there were 5,795 cases in Australia. 39 deaths, 96 people currently in ICU and 448 currently in hospital. 302,663 tests conducted with a positive result of 1.9%
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@Rembrandt yep - from the same site https://www.covid19data.com.au/ they have a state breakdown
Of course this is identified cases, which relies on testing being robust. Could be more out there lurking a/symptomatic
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Growth yesterday was 107 cases. That is the lowest since 18th March, where we crossed 500 cases.
1.8% growth.
Some thought c/o Norman Swan on ABC Breakfast this morning that the slow down is largely due to lack of new imported cases, and community transmission is bubbling under.
Joy germ
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Growth yesterday was 107 cases. That is the lowest since 18th March, where we crossed 500 cases.
1.8% growth.
Some thought c/o Norman Swan on ABC Breakfast this morning that the slow down is largely due to lack of new imported cases, and community transmission is bubbling under.
Joy germ
Why would anyone listen to him? He's got as much credibility on this topic as Dr Oz.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Growth yesterday was 107 cases. That is the lowest since 18th March, where we crossed 500 cases.
1.8% growth.
Some thought c/o Norman Swan on ABC Breakfast this morning that the slow down is largely due to lack of new imported cases, and community transmission is bubbling under.
Joy germ
Why would anyone listen to him? He's got as much credibility on this topic as Dr Oz.
Or any of us
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Growth yesterday was 107 cases. That is the lowest since 18th March, where we crossed 500 cases.
1.8% growth.
Some thought c/o Norman Swan on ABC Breakfast this morning that the slow down is largely due to lack of new imported cases, and community transmission is bubbling under.
Joy germ
And look, there is a possibility of that but another week of sub-5% and a lot of the discussion I've seen posted elsewhere says end of the month needs a rethink in terms of restrictions.
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Chief Minister of the ACT saying they won't be putting in place a "dob in your neighbour" landline but will have a development to let concerns be raised to authorities...