Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Paekakboyz and gravy!
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Anyone else getting in the 3 day KFC queue at 1601 if we get to L3?
The kids want me to join the queue now.
To be fair, I don't miss it at all but that won't stop be going and getting a bucket or two.....
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FIFY
I don't know what that means? I see it all the time but can't work it out? I keep thinking it's a typo for First In First Out
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@R-L said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo fixed it for you
Thank you, I can now like his post as I did not notice it had changed.
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@R-L ahhh what kind of video did you get that gif from...
asking for a friend.
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@taniwharugby we've found the Tegal Louisana style tenders are pretty close to KFC. Is that the same brand you guys get?
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@Paekakboyz I think so, I really like it, especially last night as Miss TR said it was too spicy, so I got her peice!
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@taniwharugby winning!!
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@taniwharugby @Paekakboyz @Hooroo get to these guys the next time you are passing throuhg Auckland. Absolutely superb
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@Paekakboyz you will not regret it. Five stars out of three And they do craft beer as well.
The hash brown bake is insane, but basically everything is amazeballs
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby @Paekakboyz @Hooroo get to these guys the next time you are passing throuhg Auckland. Absolutely superb
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Virtual Punch in the face for showing me this during lockdown!
Virtual big ole cuddle for showing me this though!!! I love hot food and I do wonder if hot means hot? It looks fantastic. Google maps as I can't picture Panmure
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Clicked on the link...
Omg I'm now hungry.
But why are all the major suppliers of chicken in NZ halal?? That's on the FAQ page... -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I feel out of step with a large proportion of the population on this one. Think the lockdown was not a bad call going in, but the results were great, so we should immediately be starting to trial some relaxation of the rules, and stop trying to pick winners and losers.
Agree wholeheartedly!
Me 3!!!
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@Anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hydro11 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Level 3 lets more people go to work, but it's hardly a huge improvement on level 4 in terms of the cage doors opening.
However, in good news, apparently, not only is our curve flattening, it's exponentially reducing - halving every 5 days. At this rate, we are probably looking at a total of 6-8 weeks at levels 3&4 (so another 2-4 weeks) and then back to level 2.
The rest of the world is rightly envious of that, because they're generally looking at months of the equivalent of level 3+. 4 weeks seems a bit early to be rolling out the civil liberties flag - human rights and civil liberties are critically important to the NZ democracy, but the most important right is the right to life because the rest are not much use to dead people.
And a cratered economy is a damn sight harder on people on the other side.
This is exactly the sort of scare mongering that drove that poll result.
The original justification for this lockdown was not to eliminate the disease but to prevent our health system from being overwhelmed. That has been achieved and over the last four weeks process and capacity has been added to help even more with that.
So let’s move down the levels fast, test appropriately, contain regional reoccurrence, and get back to normalise life.
Even today Cindy was downplaying the huge impact this is having on the economy. “Doing in tough” is not even close to what’s coming IMO.
I think when level 4 started we didn't think it would be as successful as it has been. Now we have a chance to actually eliminate this from New Zealand. The worst thing we could do would be to go down the levels quickly and have it spread. Then you go back to level 4 or have unfettered community transmission and what we have done so far will be for nothing. We have the chance to get back to "normal" in NZ and we should take that if possible.
I think this highlights a choice to be made.
If the aim is elimination, which is likely to take longer than expected, there is a case for more Level 4, and probably extended Level 3. Economic cost VERY high.
At the other end is getting down rapidly to Swedish levels of lockdown, with borders closed. There might be 100 deaths a week, and economy would still be subdued, but in FAR better shape than under first alternative.
There is no cake and eat it too.
From where I sit the latter path is far preferable.
The problem, if elimination is the aim, is when do you give up on it. The effort towards elimination is a sunk cost if it's not able to be eliminated (or will cost more than the country can afford) but I can see people using it as a justification to stick with it. It's very easy to see level 4 extending out indefinitely if elimination doesn't occur.
And if you give up on elimination you have to go with option 2 but in a worse position than if you went with it originally. So how much are we willing to put towards a failed elimination attempt?
I'd be prepared to put in 2 more weeks, if that were the decision.
But, I'm still in 2 minds. Not sure its achievable.
With the (still probably imperfect) information we now have to base decisions. I'd be comfortable using Australian data that moving to L3 is OK.
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@R-L said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Clicked on the link...
Omg I'm now hungry.
But why are all the major suppliers of chicken in NZ halal?? That's on the FAQ page...So that the retailers can serve halal chicken.....
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hydro11 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Level 3 lets more people go to work, but it's hardly a huge improvement on level 4 in terms of the cage doors opening.
However, in good news, apparently, not only is our curve flattening, it's exponentially reducing - halving every 5 days. At this rate, we are probably looking at a total of 6-8 weeks at levels 3&4 (so another 2-4 weeks) and then back to level 2.
The rest of the world is rightly envious of that, because they're generally looking at months of the equivalent of level 3+. 4 weeks seems a bit early to be rolling out the civil liberties flag - human rights and civil liberties are critically important to the NZ democracy, but the most important right is the right to life because the rest are not much use to dead people.
And a cratered economy is a damn sight harder on people on the other side.
This is exactly the sort of scare mongering that drove that poll result.
The original justification for this lockdown was not to eliminate the disease but to prevent our health system from being overwhelmed. That has been achieved and over the last four weeks process and capacity has been added to help even more with that.
So let’s move down the levels fast, test appropriately, contain regional reoccurrence, and get back to normalise life.
Even today Cindy was downplaying the huge impact this is having on the economy. “Doing in tough” is not even close to what’s coming IMO.
I think when level 4 started we didn't think it would be as successful as it has been. Now we have a chance to actually eliminate this from New Zealand. The worst thing we could do would be to go down the levels quickly and have it spread. Then you go back to level 4 or have unfettered community transmission and what we have done so far will be for nothing. We have the chance to get back to "normal" in NZ and we should take that if possible.
I think this highlights a choice to be made.
If the aim is elimination, which is likely to take longer than expected, there is a case for more Level 4, and probably extended Level 3. Economic cost VERY high.
At the other end is getting down rapidly to Swedish levels of lockdown, with borders closed. There might be 100 deaths a week, and economy would still be subdued, but in FAR better shape than under first alternative.
There is no cake and eat it too.
From where I sit the latter path is far preferable.
The problem, if elimination is the aim, is when do you give up on it. The effort towards elimination is a sunk cost if it's not able to be eliminated (or will cost more than the country can afford) but I can see people using it as a justification to stick with it. It's very easy to see level 4 extending out indefinitely if elimination doesn't occur.
And if you give up on elimination you have to go with option 2 but in a worse position than if you went with it originally. So how much are we willing to put towards a failed elimination attempt?
I'd be prepared to put in 2 more weeks, if that were the decision.
But, I'm still in 2 minds. Not sure its achievable.
With the (still probably imperfect) information we now have to base decisions. I'd be comfortable using Australian data that moving to L3 is OK.
Sameige. I'm happy enough with what has happened thus far but keen to start moving forward.
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@Hooroo ha I get that, but it just surprised me that nearly all your chicken suppliers are halal. I've never even thought about it before. A lot of places in UK say "our meat is not halal" etc now I'd be interested to know if the majority of ours is too... Just found it interesting is all.
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one of the issues is, what if they extend it, and we find ourselves in 2 weeks still getting 5 or 10 new cases a day, despite what the modelling has predicted...given we are currently ahead of the modelling predictions anyway