Coronavirus - Overall
-
Big thread, but nub is that past coronavirus (e.g. cold) exposure is likely to leave immulogical changes. There seems some evidence that these can attack structures which Covid shares and shut it down. Would mean herd immunity is reached at much less than 60% infection level generally assumed. And would explain why in many places infectivity seems to have plummetted independently of lockdown.
-
-
The States Covid numbers are going to be interesting in a few weeks time. The whole pandemic has become and afterthought for a lot of countries all of a sudden. We're going to find out just how serious it is and whether lockdowns were needed at all.
-
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337051
Looks like Sweden didn't have the answer to the covid19 question after all
-
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Looks like Sweden didn't have the answer to the covid19 question after all
I wouldn't rely on the NZ Herald for any answers to a complex issue like this. But if they didn't protect the vulnerable they are stupid
"Authorities in Sweden, including Tegnell, have been criticised — and have apologised — for failing to protect the country's elderly and nursing home residents"
One key always was to protect the vulnerable (and definitely not sending the sick to nursing homes likes they did in high death states in the US). Having said this was it really necessary to destroy the economy by using heavy handed nanny state tactics like many countries did
The US may be a good country to look at. Why did some (mostly Democrat) states have high death. And others didn't
-
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The US may be a good country to look at. Why did some (mostly Democrat) states have high death. And others didn't
Perhaps I'm giving you more credit for intelligence than you deserve, perhaps your memory is porous, or you just like posing the same question over and over again? You asked this one a while back, we all had a discussion about it. Maybe the answers given didn't fit your narrative?
-
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Maybe the answers given didn't fit your narrative?
-
@canefan I think he's suggesting no one did. And that with the benefit of hindsight/learning they will know better next time.
But quite difficult to construct much of a case that Sweden's soft lockdown has caused the country significant detriment. Time will tell.
They are also going to get to herd immunity before others, so if there were a second wave in Europe will be much better placed than almost everybody. -
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The US may be a good country to look at. Why did some (mostly Democrat) states have high death. And others didn't
Perhaps I'm giving you more credit for intelligence than you deserve, perhaps your memory is porous, or you just like posing the same question over and over again? You asked this one a while back, we all had a discussion about it. Maybe the answers given didn't fit your narrative?
Because you made a silly comment in your post. The country to look at is the US and to compare states to get a more meaningful answer (not a TSF answer)
-
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan I think he's suggesting no one did. And that with the benefit of hindsight/learning they will know better next time.
But quite difficult to construct much of a case that Sweden's soft lockdown has caused the country significant detriment. Time will tell.
They are also going to get to herd immunity before others, so if there were a second wave in Europe will be much better placed than almost everybody.If the article is to be believed
-
Sweden's mortality rate per capita is the highest in Europe. The head epidemiologist admitted he would do things differently to reduce that.
-
They will be excluded from a Scandinavian bubble as a result. Germany will be admitted. Assuming that they trade and interact in a big way with their neighbours, how is that a good outcome?
-
-
@Winger Hard to get a meaningful answer when it's very difficult to get a consistent data set across the US. Both Democrats and Republicans are cooking the books to suit whatever position they want to promote, there's an almost total lack of transparency and no leadership at all. Abject failure from every perspective and we may get a better idea of everything that went wrong in time.
-
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
If the article is to be believed
Sweden's mortality rate per capita is the highest in Europe.
The article didn't say this
"Sweden, a nation of 10.2 million people, has had 4468 deaths linked to Covid-19, which is far more than its Nordic neighbours and one of the highest death rates per capita in the world."
And its not
-
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
If the article is to be believed
Sweden's mortality rate per capita is the highest in Europe.
The article didn't say this
"Sweden, a nation of 10.2 million people, has had 4468 deaths linked to Covid-19, which is far more than its Nordic neighbours and one of the highest death rates per capita in the world."
And its not
Death rate is pretty meaningless across groups with different testing regimes.
-
Sweden's death rate is nothing like one of the highest. Unsurprisingly it's a shit article when there are clearly more factors at play.
-
@antipodean yeah according to THIS Sweden are 7th, Belgium are the worst aside from San Marino who have a population under 35k (with 42 deaths)
Italy, Spain, UK (in that order) all have worse death rates per million people than Sweden.
-
@taniwharugby Thing that surprises me about Sweden is the low level of testing. The strategy does appear to have been Fuck It let's go have some herring and aquavit.