Boxing Thread
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
So the big story in boxing ,
Fury v Wilder 3 will be in Sydney on Boxing Day ,
Pretty big Story if it comes off .
It's about time that day was used what it said for.....
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I was just reading this article about Andy Ruiz. This explains many of the issues he had between the first and second fights with Joshua, and what he has been doing more recently.
The mysteriously difficult struggle of finding Andy Ruiz Jr.
Twelve months after his stunning upset of Anthony Joshua -- and six months after his lifeless defeat in the rematch -- Andy Ruiz Jr. is surprisingly hard to find. What happened to the former heavyweight champion?
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Just watching the Rumble in the Jungle
It's not what I thought it was. First 4 rounds yes Ali backed off and sat on ropes, but he's hit all the good shots. R5 Foreman whales on him like the story, but the last 20 seconds is Ali smacking Foreman in the head.
Just finished R6 and you can see who is winning this. Foreman is cooked without throwing a decent shot. Ali looks great and has landed all the good punches.
What the fuck was with Foremans conditioning?
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@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
Just watching the Rumble in the Jungle
It's not what I thought it was. First 4 rounds yes Ali backed off and sat on ropes, but he's hit all the good shots. R5 Foreman whales on him like the story, but the last 20 seconds is Ali smacking Foreman in the head.
Just finished R6 and you can see who is winning this. Foreman is cooked without throwing a decent shot. Ali looks great and has landed all the good punches.
What the fuck was with Foremans conditioning?
Yeah . I guess he got into a comfort zone from purely knocking everybody over with his power, and hadnt been taken into deep water like that before.
He went into this fight with a very similar reputation as Tyson at his peak , people actually feared for Alis safety . The way he disposed of Norton and Frazier in the lead up ,two fighters who had troubled Ali , was pretty brutal .
I watched that fight live ,my dad who was a massive fight fan let me have the day off school because it was a massive occasion in his eyes , about 13 years old , weekday , midday /afternoon in NZ , live on regular TV , i think we had two channels then , color TV was not long out
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
Just watching the Rumble in the Jungle
It's not what I thought it was. First 4 rounds yes Ali backed off and sat on ropes, but he's hit all the good shots. R5 Foreman whales on him like the story, but the last 20 seconds is Ali smacking Foreman in the head.
Just finished R6 and you can see who is winning this. Foreman is cooked without throwing a decent shot. Ali looks great and has landed all the good punches.
What the fuck was with Foremans conditioning?
Yeah . I guess he got into a comfort zone from purely knocking everybody over with his power, and hadnt been taken into deep water like that before.
He went into this fight with a very similar reputation as Tyson at his peak , people actually feared for Alis safety . The way he disposed of Norton and Frazier in the lead up ,two fighters who had troubled Ali , was pretty brutal .
I watched that fight live ,my dad who was a massive fight fan let me have the day off school because it was a massive occasion in his eyes , about 13 years old , weekday , midday /afternoon in NZ , live on regular TV , i think we had two channels then , color TV was not long out
the callers said it was even, but Ali looked the winner. I thought from teh 3rd round there would only be one winner. Foreman had no power left, but kept doing the same thing over and over, all while wearing shot after shot. If the 5th goes for another 30 seconds it probably ends there.
It's an amazing performance from Ali.
I remember watching When We Were Kings, and the things about how everyone, even Ali's own camp, thought Foreman would really hurt him. For Ali to dominate like at was amazing. What an athlete
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@kiwiinmelb There was just enough time to get from school to my house where my mates and I shared a couple of crates of Lion Brown and sat entranced. Fucking magnificent fight and performance from The Greatest. One for the ages.
One of my mates passed out in the driveway and my dear old Mum bless her, covered with his parents for him (invite him for dinner) sobered him up and made sure he didn't get into shit.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
Just watching the Rumble in the Jungle
It's not what I thought it was. First 4 rounds yes Ali backed off and sat on ropes, but he's hit all the good shots. R5 Foreman whales on him like the story, but the last 20 seconds is Ali smacking Foreman in the head.
Just finished R6 and you can see who is winning this. Foreman is cooked without throwing a decent shot. Ali looks great and has landed all the good punches.
What the fuck was with Foremans conditioning?
Yeah . I guess he got into a comfort zone from purely knocking everybody over with his power, and hadnt been taken into deep water like that before.
He went into this fight with a very similar reputation as Tyson at his peak , people actually feared for Alis safety . The way he disposed of Norton and Frazier in the lead up ,two fighters who had troubled Ali , was pretty brutal .
I watched that fight live ,my dad who was a massive fight fan let me have the day off school because it was a massive occasion in his eyes , about 13 years old , weekday , midday /afternoon in NZ , live on regular TV , i think we had two channels then , color TV was not long out
They did more than trouble him, both notched up wins over him before he took on Foreman.
He then went on to beat both twice which definitely goes someway to explaining why they called him the greatest.
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I stumbled across this a while back , its pretty cool
Just to paint the picture, its an ali tribute night, Billy Crystal was fairly unknown at the time,and was doing Ali impersonations in his stand up gigs , from here on they became best friends , Crystal did a eulogy at his funeral as well,
Everything he says here is taken from real Ali and Cowsell interviews
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
Just watching the Rumble in the Jungle
It's not what I thought it was. First 4 rounds yes Ali backed off and sat on ropes, but he's hit all the good shots. R5 Foreman whales on him like the story, but the last 20 seconds is Ali smacking Foreman in the head.
Just finished R6 and you can see who is winning this. Foreman is cooked without throwing a decent shot. Ali looks great and has landed all the good punches.
What the fuck was with Foremans conditioning?
Yeah . I guess he got into a comfort zone from purely knocking everybody over with his power, and hadnt been taken into deep water like that before.
He went into this fight with a very similar reputation as Tyson at his peak , people actually feared for Alis safety . The way he disposed of Norton and Frazier in the lead up ,two fighters who had troubled Ali , was pretty brutal .
I watched that fight live ,my dad who was a massive fight fan let me have the day off school because it was a massive occasion in his eyes , about 13 years old , weekday , midday /afternoon in NZ , live on regular TV , i think we had two channels then , color TV was not long out
They did more than trouble him, both notched up wins over him before he took on Foreman.
He then went on to beat both twice which definitely goes someway to explaining why they called him the greatest.
Yep , saw every one of them live on TV , was a great era ,
The next era that followed straight after with Leonard , duran , Hearns and Hagler was also awesome
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
I stumbled across this a while back , its pretty cool
Just to paint the picture, its an ali tribute night, Billy Crystal was fairly unknown at the time,and was doing Ali impersonations in his stand up gigs , from here on they became best friends , Crystal did a eulogy at his funeral as well,
Everything he says here is taken from real Ali and Cowsell interviews
Fucking brilliant.
Gets better with age.
Genuine love and respect.
Let's hope the fucktards don't disappear this.
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"@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
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He then went on to beat both twice which definitely goes someway to explaining why they called him the greatest."Oh he most assuredly was!
In the mid '90s my then 20 year old son rang from wherever he was and insisted "Dad, turn on the television"
"Why?"
"The LA Olympics opening ceremony - just turn it on, now!"
"Yeah, yeah" says I to myself "Not interested" as I switch it on, to see the great man lighting the Olympic flame, shaking with that awful Parkinsons disease. My boy stayed on the line because he knew of my admiration for Ali and had a fair idea of my likely reaction.
I will admit the tears ran down my cheeks at the sight of him responding so proudly to the fabulous gesture of recognition, and at the realisation of how much the disease had deprived him of his mighty, mighty strength.
Muhammad Ali against Liston coincided with my taking up boxing, as further rugby training aimed at developing strength as a young loose head. That grew into an abiding love of the sport and I boxed for as many years as I played rugby.
I had the grand good fortune to watch the whole of Ali’s exceptional career. I saw some of it in Martin Place, Sydney on the screens set up in the ground floor of the Overseas Telecommunications Building. Overseas sports events were not routinely shown on television, and not a lot of homes had sets anyway!
He was tall and beautifully built, handsome and fit. I have had that famous photo of him standing over Sonny Liston hanging on the lounge room wall forever. He took some getting used to at first because his personality was nothing like that of the boxers we knew and loved – Bob Dunlop, silent Jim Caruthers, shy and friendly and deadly Lionel Rose, smiling Johnny Famechon and Tony Mundine, who said precious little about anything.
Ali was quicker than any of his predecessors – with his hands, on his feet, coming in and moving back out. He used all of the ring in a manner we had not previously seen in the heavy divisions, he used the whole of the fight to build his win, he knew the precise length of his opponent’s reach and stood just outside it enticing him to keep throwing leather and tiring all the while, and he talked in their ear, mocking and goading and infuriating them – no-one did that back then. He was clever and intelligent, mentally disciplined, good humoured, sometimes menacing.
Muhammad Ali was the best sportsman and athlete I have seen.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
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He then went on to beat both twice which definitely goes someway to explaining why they called him the greatest.Oh he most assuredly was!
In the mid '90s my then 20 year old son rang from wherever he was and insisted "Dad, turn on the television"
"Why?"
"The LA Olympics opening ceremony - just turn it on, now!"
"Yeah, yeah" says I to myself "Not interested" as I switch it on, to see the great man lighting the Olympic flame, shaking with that awful Parkinsons disease. My boy stayed on the line because he knew of my admiration for Ali and had a fair idea of my likely reaction.
I will admit the tears ran down my cheeks at the sight of him responding so proudly to the fabulous gesture of recognition, and at the realisation of how much the disease had deprived him of his mighty, mighty strength.
Muhammad Ali against Liston coincided with my taking up boxing, as further rugby training aimed at developing strength as a young loose head. That developed into an abiding love of the sport and I boxed for as many years as I played rugby.
I had the grand good fortune to watch the whole of Ali’s exceptional career. I saw some of it in Martin Place, Sydney on the screens set up in the ground floor of the Overseas Telecommunications Building. Overseas sports events were not routinely shown on television, and not a lot of homes had sets anyway!
He was tall and beautifully built, handsome and fit. I have had that famous photo of him standing over Sonny Liston hanging on the lounge room wall forever. He took some getting used to at first because his personality was nothing like that of the boxers we knew and loved – Bob Dunlop, silent Jim Caruthers, shy and friendly and deadly Lionel Rose, smiling Johnny Famechon and Tony Mundine, who said precious little about anything.
Ali was quicker than any of his predecessors – with his hands, on his feet, coming in and moving back out. He used all of the ring in a manner we had not previously seen in the heavy divisions, he used the whole of the fight to build his win, he knew the precise length of his opponent’s reach and stood just outside it enticing him to keep throwing leather and tiring all the while, and he talked in their ear, mocking and goading and infuriating them – no-one did that back then. He was clever and intelligent, mentally disciplined, good humoured, sometimes menacing.
Muhammad Ali was the best sportsman and athlete I have seen.
Awesome post, I'd imagine my old man woulda seen all of his fights live too, one way or another, most of them from the UK before he moved to NZ.
He calls him the greatest as well.
Out of interest where would guys like Tyson ( Iron Mike ), Lewis ( George Foreman rated him as the greatest ) and Fury rate in your opinion given it's fair to say all others are below Ali by varying degrees......
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@MN5 it depends on what the criteria is for rating them , i rate ali the greatest for his skill level , but it doesn't necessarily mean he would have beaten them all . All fighters are beatable on their day . But his skill level was something else .
The other guy who very rarely gets a mention is Larry Holmes, came along just after the Ali/ frazier / Foreman / Norton / shavers era , came a bit late to fight them in their prime . Didnt quite have the great names on his W resume , but the same could be said of others like tyson . But dominated the division and was clearly in their class.
For a while there , there was this regular pattern , where the great of his era near the end , past his best,probably still hanging on . would suffer a humiliating loss to a younger next great on the rise , It kept repeating .
Floyd Patterson - Ali- Holmes - Tyson - Lewis
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 it depends on what the criteria is for rating them , i rate ali the greatest for his skill level , but it doesn't necessarily mean he would have beaten them all . All fighters are beatable on their day . But his skill level was something else .
The other guy who very rarely gets a mention is Larry Holmes, came along just after the Ali/ frazier / Foreman / Norton / shavers era , came a bit late to fight them in their prime . Didnt quite have the great names on his W resume , but the same could be said of others like tyson . But dominated the division and was clearly in their class.
For a while there , there was this regular pattern , where the great of his era near the end , past his best,probably still hanging on . would suffer a humiliating loss to a younger next great on the rise , It kept repeating .
Floyd Patterson - Ali- Holmes - Tyson - Lewis
Very true.
And true of all sports - passing on the batton.
Ali is my favourite fighter, but for pitting people in their prime against each other then I think Tyson would beat everyone 6 out of 10 times. At least.
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 it depends on what the criteria is for rating them , i rate ali the greatest for his skill level , but it doesn't necessarily mean he would have beaten them all . All fighters are beatable on their day . But his skill level was something else .
The other guy who very rarely gets a mention is Larry Holmes, came along just after the Ali/ frazier / Foreman / Norton / shavers era , came a bit late to fight them in their prime . Didnt quite have the great names on his W resume , but the same could be said of others like tyson . But dominated the division and was clearly in their class.
For a while there , there was this regular pattern , where the great of his era near the end , past his best,probably still hanging on . would suffer a humiliating loss to a younger next great on the rise , It kept repeating .
Floyd Patterson - Ali- Holmes - Tyson - Lewis
Very true.
And true of all sports - passing on the batton.
Ali is my favourite fighter, but for pitting people in their prime against each other then I think Tyson would beat everyone 6 out of 10 times. At least.
Tyson was a fast starter , probably the best in that area , if he had a weakness, that ferocity could not be Possibly maintained for 12 rounds . And he could be made to look ponderous in later rounds .
If I had to pick someone To Stay out of harms way early and take him into deep water , and you might be surprised at my answer, it would be Tyson fury . Such a big unit at 6 foot 9 , With good defensive skills .
In a match up of styles ,(Not rankings Of greatnesses) I think that would be my pick
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 it depends on what the criteria is for rating them , i rate ali the greatest for his skill level , but it doesn't necessarily mean he would have beaten them all . All fighters are beatable on their day . But his skill level was something else .
The other guy who very rarely gets a mention is Larry Holmes, came along just after the Ali/ frazier / Foreman / Norton / shavers era , came a bit late to fight them in their prime . Didnt quite have the great names on his W resume , but the same could be said of others like tyson . But dominated the division and was clearly in their class.
For a while there , there was this regular pattern , where the great of his era near the end , past his best,probably still hanging on . would suffer a humiliating loss to a younger next great on the rise , It kept repeating .
Floyd Patterson - Ali- Holmes - Tyson - Lewis
Very true.
And true of all sports - passing on the batton.
Ali is my favourite fighter, but for pitting people in their prime against each other then I think Tyson would beat everyone 6 out of 10 times. At least.
Tyson was a fast starter , probably the best in that area , if he had a weakness, that ferocity could not be Possibly maintained for 12 rounds . And he could be made to look ponderous in later rounds .
If I had to pick someone To Stay out of harms way early and take him into deep water , and you might be surprised at my answer, it would be Tyson fury . Such a big unit at 6 foot 9 , With good defensive skills .
In a match up of styles ,(Not rankings Of greatnesses) I think that would be my pick
I get the feeling Fury is gonna be extremely lauded after he retires ( even if he is a 30 stone blimp propping up a bar telling yarns )
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 it depends on what the criteria is for rating them , i rate ali the greatest for his skill level , but it doesn't necessarily mean he would have beaten them all . All fighters are beatable on their day . But his skill level was something else .
The other guy who very rarely gets a mention is Larry Holmes, came along just after the Ali/ frazier / Foreman / Norton / shavers era , came a bit late to fight them in their prime . Didnt quite have the great names on his W resume , but the same could be said of others like tyson . But dominated the division and was clearly in their class.
For a while there , there was this regular pattern , where the great of his era near the end , past his best,probably still hanging on . would suffer a humiliating loss to a younger next great on the rise , It kept repeating .
Floyd Patterson - Ali- Holmes - Tyson - Lewis
Very true.
And true of all sports - passing on the batton.
Ali is my favourite fighter, but for pitting people in their prime against each other then I think Tyson would beat everyone 6 out of 10 times. At least.
Tyson was a fast starter , probably the best in that area , if he had a weakness, that ferocity could not be Possibly maintained for 12 rounds . And he could be made to look ponderous in later rounds .
If I had to pick someone To Stay out of harms way early and take him into deep water , and you might be surprised at my answer, it would be Tyson fury . Such a big unit at 6 foot 9 , With good defensive skills .
In a match up of styles ,(Not rankings Of greatnesses) I think that would be my pick
I get the feeling Fury is gonna be extremely lauded after he retires ( even if he is a 30 stone blimp propping up a bar telling yarns )
I think we ( well most of us ) underestimated how crafty he is ,
When he beats wider again , Joshua twice ( my prediction) and all other challenges he will cement his place as one of the greats imo
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 it depends on what the criteria is for rating them , i rate ali the greatest for his skill level , but it doesn't necessarily mean he would have beaten them all . All fighters are beatable on their day . But his skill level was something else .
The other guy who very rarely gets a mention is Larry Holmes, came along just after the Ali/ frazier / Foreman / Norton / shavers era , came a bit late to fight them in their prime . Didnt quite have the great names on his W resume , but the same could be said of others like tyson . But dominated the division and was clearly in their class.
For a while there , there was this regular pattern , where the great of his era near the end , past his best,probably still hanging on . would suffer a humiliating loss to a younger next great on the rise , It kept repeating .
Floyd Patterson - Ali- Holmes - Tyson - Lewis
Very true.
And true of all sports - passing on the batton.
Ali is my favourite fighter, but for pitting people in their prime against each other then I think Tyson would beat everyone 6 out of 10 times. At least.
Tyson was a fast starter , probably the best in that area , if he had a weakness, that ferocity could not be Possibly maintained for 12 rounds . And he could be made to look ponderous in later rounds .
If I had to pick someone To Stay out of harms way early and take him into deep water , and you might be surprised at my answer, it would be Tyson fury . Such a big unit at 6 foot 9 , With good defensive skills .
In a match up of styles ,(Not rankings Of greatnesses) I think that would be my pick
I get the feeling Fury is gonna be extremely lauded after he retires ( even if he is a 30 stone blimp propping up a bar telling yarns )
I think we ( well most of us ) underestimated how crafty he is ,
When he beats wider again , Joshua twice ( my prediction) and all other challenges he will cement his place as one of the greats imo
Well probably, but with Fury you get the feeling he’s a chance to have several too many Guinesses, come in unprepared and get dropped by Wilder.
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