Black Lives Matter
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@barbarian said in Black Lives Matter:
I don't know if there was a right or wrong way to handle this.
They find a noose in this guy's locker. A pretty provocative thing to find, so they decided to launch an investigation. Knowing it would likely leak out, they decided to control the messaging and tell the public what they found and what they are doing about it.
Said investigation comes back and finds that it was innocuous and had been there for ages.
I don't know if you can really point the finger too much here at anyone. Seems a pretty logical set of steps from NASCAR.
A PR win win for NASCAR too, at least for the general public at large, maybe not so much for the racist white element that might like the sport
In terms of PR, it's practically a perpetual motion machine. Look for racism, find something, take positive stance, get congratulated, media cycle has moved on since it was all revealed to be BS. Rinse, repeat.
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My understanding is that it wasn't in his locker, it was in his team's garage stall. Each stall has a rope that's used to open/ close the garage door. This particular stall's pull rope had a loop tied in the end, and had since at least November 2019, per the FBI's photo evidence. (Side note, I have a pull rope in my own garage tied in exactly the same way. Makes it easy to grab when wearing gloves.)
Bubba Wallace never saw it and didn't report it - he drew conclusions from what NASCAR told him. They look foolish for not realizing every stall has a similar rope, and Wallace looks foolish for going so fast to the PR circuit with second hand information.
NASCAR is doubling down and saying they're still investigating to find out who dared tie it in a "noose" months ago with almost no likelihood a black person would ever see it. Okay...
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@photo-fox said in Black Lives Matter:
My understanding is that it wasn't in his locker, it was in his team's garage stall.
Yes, isn't that called a 'locker' though? Not a nascar fan but that was my reading on how they use that term.
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@barbarian said in Black Lives Matter:
I don't know if there was a right or wrong way to handle this.
Right from a" What's good for our company" viewpoint.
Wrong from "What's actually the truth?" viewpoint.
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@barbarian I'm not a NASCAR fan either, but I believe a stall is basically a one-car garage, with enough room for the car, tires, and all the crew's equipment. What I would call a locker would be basically an individual coat closet. A stall would be used by the whole team, whereas a locker would be assigned to an individual.
Here in the States we'd say a two-stall garage would have room for two cars. I'm just assuming that terminology carries over to NASCAR. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong!
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
@barbarian said in Black Lives Matter:
I don't know if there was a right or wrong way to handle this.
Right from a" What's good for our company" viewpoint.
Wrong from "What's actually the truth?" viewpoint.
How so? They found the truth. They did it in a pretty logical way, via an investigation by the appropriate authorities.
In the meantime, they supported a black driver who may have been racially vilified.
What were they supposed to do, not support him? 'Yes you may be a victim of a racial attack, but until we have proof we will just pretend this all didn't happen'.
I think it's a bit weird to see the desire by some on this thread to see this as a vast conspiracy to promote... racial harmony? Support for a minority group rarely seen in Nascar?
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@barbarian
Because the "case" is so absurd its a joke.Here is the FBI investigation"
"Oi Jim, when was the noose here"
"Since last year"
"Cheers"
Case closed.Instead NASCAR freaks out over possible loss of corporate sponsorship,
organizes I stand with Bubba event + calls the FBI when they could have done the following"Oi Jim, when was the noose here"
"Since last year"
"Cheers"Its a joke and was obviously done because of the hypersensitive times we live in.
No one on here is against racial harmony but make it about something more pathetic than this.It's an insult to actual victims of racial crime.
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If I may add a personal story.
I was the victim of racial violence (actual violence, not hurt feelings)
I was walking along Broadway in Newmarket going to the KFC when I was 18. I was walking with my best mate at the time, an Indian guy from Malaysia. We crossed the road near the bus stop just before the KFC and two Samoan guys much larger than either of us starting walking behind us. One pushed my friend out of the way , while the other smashed me in the side of the head. I'd never been hit so hard. I went down and they started kicking me on the ground. One of them kicked me just below my eye and I passed out. I woke up in an ambulance that my friend had called when he ran into the shop. I had some staples put in my head which had been cut open.
Anyway, they got caught and said the reason they attacked me was because a white guy had thrown an ax at their aunt the previous week, so they wanted to smash a white guy in revenge. This is why they didn't attack my friend. They were 21 and 15. I got no compensation. The older one got a two year suspended sentence and the police invited me to a victim conference where I could have talked about my feelings to the 15 year old. I declined. For the next month I was afraid to walk outside at night.
Even though I was the victim of racial violence, it had never occurred to me to start hating on a racial group for it. They were just a couple of pricks
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@Frank dude that is awful. You were absolutely the bigger person to put that down to individuals rather than a group of people. That must have been terrifying.
In stark contrast to an old family acquaintance/friend(ish) who moved to oz to work in the mines maybe early 2000s. He got beaten up by some aborginies while on the piss one night. The next time I caught up with him in nz he had gone off the deep end with racial hate. He'd lumped all brown people in together, and I don't doubt mining culture didn't help his worldview. The stuff he'd say was abohrant, and he didn't think anything of sharing it.
He had also picked up some serious homophobia, to the extent of starting a fight with a friend at golf... because the guy swapped his white ball for a pink one.
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@Paekakboyz said in Black Lives Matter:
@Frank dude that is awful. You were absolutely the bigger person to put that down to individuals rather than a group of people. That must have been terrifying.
In stark contrast to an old family acquaintance/friend(ish) who moved to oz to work in the mines maybe early 2000s. He got beaten up by some aborginies while on the piss one night. The next time I caught up with him in nz he had gone off the deep end with racial hate. He'd lumped all brown people in together, and I don't doubt mining culture didn't help his worldview. The stuff he'd say was abohrant, and he didn't think anything of sharing it.
He had also picked up some serious homophobia, to the extent of starting a fight with a friend at golf... because the guy swapped his white ball for a pink one.
A flatmate of my mate in London had his Dad and uncle murdered by farm workers when Mugabe gave the green light for some social justice in Zimbabwe a few years back. He was not shy about his opinion on black folk and he was a very angry young man. 3 years after meeting him he found Jesus and became a regular charlie church at a very multicultural church, all that hatred which once devoured him was now gone.
I think you can link a lot of these stories to the same underlying problem. Treating people as a collective rather than as individuals. Evil starts when you start to feed off of your resentment and look to correct a perceived wrong by enacting out your own punishment on others who may share a characteristic of someone who wronged you. You then call it justice. This resentment is very easy to feed and there are plenty of groups that aim to do just that.
We seem to be walking further and further away from treating people as individuals and looking towards forgiving wrongs.
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
Complete fuckin' wild noose chase.
I saw his interview on CNN where he seemed to double-down on the "It was a noose!".
Actually feel sorry for the guy now. He played up to the part enough to be slammed for it now thanks to Jussie's exploits. In the end he's likely innocent but he is the one who really is getting the fallout for other peoples mistakes.
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@Duluth said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
NASCAR's one black driver asked if they could cease to display the Confederate flag at NASCAR events, which they agreed to. 10 days later he finds a noose in his garage stall. Crazy
It’s crazy that anyone took this claim seriously
All part of the white man’s FBI covering it up.
Sorry I thought this was the favourite conspiracy theory thread...
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@Rembrandt that’s the beauty and tragedy of the Norman story.
He saw two individual athletes who had a common cause and because he saw them for who they were he made the choice to act.
The tragedy is that the overwhelming reaction he got back home was an unwillingness to see him as a person who had made a choice but rather just focused on “the problem”.
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@barbarian said in Black Lives Matter:
They find a noose in this guy's locker. A pretty provocative thing to find, so they decided to launch an investigation.
Was it a noose? I’ve never been in the market for one but Surely the ability to fit a human head would be a required feature for a noose?
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
This could be in the US Politics,BLM or the Coronavirus threads.
Amazingly, it covers all 3 bases.Lincoln County, Oregon, has exempted non-white people from a new order requiring that face coverings be worn in public — to prevent racial profiling.
Reported that BAME are more susceptible to Covid-19
Great way to safeguard that reported susceptibility
Doh