Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby The guy that escaped in Hamilton is in Spring Hill prison doing his 14 days.
They need to charge that muppet in Auckland too. I think the other guy at Waipuna Hotel could be playing the mental health card.
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@Bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby The guy that escaped in Hamilton is in Spring Hill prison doing his 14 days.
They need to charge that muppet in Auckland too. I think the other guy at Waipuna Hotel could be playing the mental health card.
Didn't sound like he was playing with a full deck.
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So today's new case is an arrival who tested negative on thier day 3 test but positive on thier day 12 test...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So today's new case is an arrival who tested negative on thier day 3 test but positive on thier day 12 test...
Hence the reason for 2 tests...
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So today's new case is an arrival who tested negative on thier day 3 test but positive on thier day 12 test...
Hence the reason for 2 tests...
... and can share smoking areas with others in Managed Isolation ...
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So I see the government is now talking about lockdown at a micro level being on the cards. Buildings, suburbs, towns, with police enforcing.
While you can understand the sentiment, what it really does highlight is that there is zero desire to live with this thing. And that means until we have an effective border test, we will have quarantine facilities in place. It seems a very long away that we will see international visitors return.
And if I get stuck down here again I'm going to throw all my toys out the fucking windows.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So I see the government is now talking about lockdown at a micro level being on the cards. Buildings, suburbs, towns, with police enforcing.
While you can understand the sentiment, what it really does highlight is that there is zero desire to live with this thing. And that means until we have an effective border test, we will have quarantine facilities in place. It seems a very long away that we will see international visitors return.
And if I get stuck down here again I'm going to throw all my toys out the fucking windows.
astounding
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@voodoo I was pissed when I read that. It helps no one, all it does is makes people worry again, makes them panic.
If the Govt. has thier shit together in the isolation facilities, then really we should have no concerns about going back to lockdown
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
no concerns about going back to lockdown
until when?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
no concerns about going back to lockdown
until when?
AS LONG AS IT TAKES
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@mariner4life tomorrow...fuck you fluffybunnies sort your shit out, til then anyway...
Who knows, they need to be looking at a plan to open up (sure have contingencies for if we get an outbreak) and focussing on this more than telling people about possible lockdowns again.
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I wonder how much guidance the Gov is giving business, particularly tourism exposed ones. Because you'd really be wanting to know whether you're weathering a temporary storm, or whether you're facing a completely different next few years. If the Gov is truly wedded to a global vaccine passport or on-the-spot border test (24hr Max turnaround), you'd be thinking permanent pivot in your business.
I really hope there is more forward thinking and clear thought going on than what they're communicating to Joe public.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I wonder how much guidance the Gov is giving business, particularly tourism exposed ones. Because you'd really be wanting to know whether you're weathering a temporary storm, or whether you're facing a completely different next few years. If the Gov is truly wedded to a global vaccine passport or on-the-spot border test (24hr Max turnaround), you'd be thinking permanent pivot in your business.
I really hope there is more forward thinking and clear thought going on than what they're communicating to Joe public.
if it's anything like here, even our representative bodies are getting no more than the media, and we are working completely on crystal ball and hope
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I think there's an assumption that despite whatever processes, people will be people and the virus may be back, e.g.: (https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/next-steps-covid-response)
We only need to look to Victoria, New South Wales, Hong Kong, Singapore and Korea to see examples of other places that like us had the virus under control at a point in time only to see it emerge again.
This does not mean anyone has failed- it means perfection in the response to a virus, and a pandemic, is just not possible. That is certainly the case as we see this pandemic continue to grow.
Hurry up with that vaccine, rapid test, magic antiviral, or whatever...
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think there's an assumption that despite whatever processes, people will be people and the virus may be back, e.g.: (https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/next-steps-covid-response)
We only need to look to Victoria, New South Wales, Hong Kong, Singapore and Korea to see examples of other places that like us had the virus under control at a point in time only to see it emerge again.
This does not mean anyone has failed- it means perfection in the response to a virus, and a pandemic, is just not possible. That is certainly the case as we see this pandemic continue to grow.
Hurry up with that vaccine, rapid test, magic antiviral, or whatever...
But the difference here is the proposed response. They might assume it will come back, but the currently proposed response to that is to lockdown as necessary to re-eliminate it.
How long can we do that for???
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@Donsteppa ask the Chinese for thier vaccine...I mean the most populous country in the world where the virus supposedly originated seems to have a reasonable control on it...
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@taniwharugby by some pretty severe city level lockdowns by all accounts.
@voodoo rightly or wrongly that seems to be Victoria's approach too. Not sure about the others.
No idea what the end game is, but some tough decisions lie ahead...
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Hurry up with that vaccine, rapid test, magic antiviral, or whatever...
Reports in Washington Post that a saliva test with result available within minutes is not far off. Test people before they board their final flight to NZ and again at immigration. Open up initially to specific countries.
Apparently its not 100% accurate but if we could combine that with people actually tracking their contacts responsibly I think we might have a workable compromise