Breaking news : Pope not Christian
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<p>Politicians tell other politicians from foreign nations how to act all the time.</p>
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<p>Yes? And?</p> -
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<p>Aaaaaaand you haven't started a thread for any of them.</p>
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<p>Correct. Not sure what your point is. Are you equating the pope to a politician? Actually I dont even care I will just assume you are trolling yet again.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="559583" data-time="1455866794"><p>Quite surprising I thought.<br>
Apparently building walls to keep people out of your country is not christain... anyone been to the Vatican city? Big walls....</p></blockquote>
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<p> :think:<br><br>
Yeah. I'm the troll.</p>
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<p>Points for coming clean.</p> -
Perhaps if the Pope could see his way to promoting contraception, then fewer children would be born into poverty and hey who knows perhaps even fewer Mexican migrants would seek their way into the US and then Trump wouldn't have to be such a dickhead about it
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<p>Perhaps if the Pope could see his way to promoting contraception, then fewer children would be born into poverty and hey who knows perhaps even fewer Mexican migrants would seek their way into the US and then Trump wouldn't have to be such a dickhead about it</p>
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Every Republican candidate in the race is running on the fuill defunding of planned parenthood, so they are kinda on the same page there.... </p> -
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<p>Totally unchecked? And you could walk anywhere you liked? Sweet! What were the popes chambers like?</p>
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<p>Oh yeah I totally said I was allowed on private property once in the vatican city unchecked!</p>
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<p>Come on you are smarter than that, it's one thing to be allowed in a country and another to be allowed to just enter any private residence.</p>
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<p>Look "your" attempt at exposing hypocrisy sucked. Admit it and move on. As I said I am not catholic and not a fan of any organised religion but as far as I can see the name of the game here is to amass as many people as possible to follow you. So they are fairly inclusive these days. Now is it realistic to expect them to house the nation's needy and hungry in half a square kilometer? No it's not, being that the vatican is more like the administrative centre of the church then a real country. Do they support the hungry and needy in other ways? Maybe I don't know. Is it any of his business if the USA choose to build the dumbest wall in history? Also no. Is he allowed to make comments on his faith to his followers. He absolutely is, that's the deal you sign up to with religion. You let some other clown tell you what he thinks your sky fairy wants you to do. If you don't like it, he has every right to say you're not a follower.</p> -
There's still plenty of space in the Vatican City for a few thousand refugees.
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<p>There's still plenty of space in the Vatican City for a few thousand refugees.</p>
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<p>They have actually opened up Vatican apartments to refugees. Pope did it last year. Not thousands.. but if you've ever been to the Vatican, there sure as fuck isn't room for 1000's.</p>
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<p>Much as I loathe the Catholic church (and all forms or organised cult), the current Pope is really walking the walk on most issues. He's refreshingly sane.</p>
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<p>Ish.</p>
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<p>There's still plenty of space in the Vatican City for a few thousand refugees.</p>
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<p>Interesting segue, but the discussion is about illegal immigrants not refugees. I am guessing that its not a popular destination for illegal immigrants for a few reasons.Lack of work? Lack of facilities, they need schools, hospitals.</p>
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<p>Finally would they actually want to live there? When you could just live in Italy? </p> -
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Interesting segue, but the discussion is about illegal immigrants not refugees. I am guessing that its not a popular destination for illegal immigrants for a few reasons.Lack of work? Lack of facilities, they need schools, hospitals.<br><br>
Finally would they actually want to live there? When you could just live in Italy?</p></blockquote>
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They have actually opened up Vatican apartments to refugees. Pope did it last year. Not thousands.. but if you've ever been to the Vatican, there sure as fuck isn't room for 1000's.<br><br>
Much as I loathe the Catholic church (and all forms or organised cult), the current Pope is really walking the walk on most issues. He's refreshingly sane.<br><br>
Ish.<br><br>
For a religious leader.</p></blockquote>
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Finally would they actually want to live there? When you could just live in Italy?</p></blockquote>
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That's what I was thinking. Why hang around with those Swiss guard pricks when you could just go into down town Rome and watch old buildings fall down? -
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<p>I'm sorry, I should have written "refugees".</p>
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<p>No we were discussing Illegal immigrants. Trump wants a fence to keep out illegal immigrants. He also wants to reject refugees as he is a bigot but that is by the by. </p>
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<p>They are different you know. Surprisingly few Italians are trying to jump the fence into the vatican.</p> -
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No we were discussing Illegal immigrants. Trump wants a fence to keep out illegal immigrants. He also wants to reject refugees as he is a bigot but that is by the by. <br><br>
They are different you know. Surprisingly few Italians are trying to jump the fence into the vatican.</p></blockquote>
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Actually we were discussing the pope and this particular pope has had a few things to say about the illegal immigrants streaming into Europe. Or rather has been quick to criticise European governments for not doing enough. So despite that hilarious and incredibly relevant quip about border jumping Italians, there is a fair case to make that the pope has been something of a hypocrite on this issue. -
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<p>Actually we were discussing the pope and this particular pope has had a few things to say about the illegal immigrants streaming into Europe. Or rather has been quick to criticise European governments for not doing enough. So despite that hilarious and incredibly relevant quip about border jumping Italians, there is a fair case to make that the pope has been something of a hypocrite on this issue.</p>
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<p>Wrong again Rancid, they are mostly refugees flooding into europe they are fleeing the war in Syria. Seriously it's not that hard to know the difference.</p>
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<p>This thread is about Baron thinking the pope is hypocrite for saying that "GOP front-runner Donald Trump "is not Christian" if he calls for the deportation of undocumented immigrants and pledges to build a wall between the United States and Mexico"</p>
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<p>Which was the popes comment when asked about trumps wall plan to keep out illegal immigrants coming from mexico to the states. The fact that the vatican has walls around it does not infact make him a hypocrite. If he built those walls for the express purpose of keeping his neighbours, the Italians, out. Or if he is actively deporting illegal immigrants from the vatican. Then Baron would be correct. But that's not true in this case.</p>
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<p>Just to be clear, while the media seems to paint them with the same brush refugees are not illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants cross a border and don't register at all with the new country of residence. As they unlike refugees have no right to be there. Refugees come to a new country claim refugee status, a legal protection, and hope to get accepted into the new country. If they are accepted they adopt the nationality of their new home if not they are asked to leave or are deported. If they resist that then yes they have become illegal immigrants.</p> -
<p>The vatican have backed down on their statement <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3454720/Popes-comments-Trump-not-personal-attack-papal-spokesman.html'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3454720/Popes-comments-Trump-not-personal-attack-papal-spokesman.html</a></p>
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<p>Here's trumps reasoning behind the wall <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform'>https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform</a></p> -
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<p>Wrong again Rancid, they are mostly refugees flooding into europe they are fleeing the war in Syria. Seriously it's not that hard to know the difference.<br><br>
This thread is about Baron thinking the pope is hypocrite for saying that "GOP front-runner Donald Trump "is not Christian" if he calls for the deportation of undocumented immigrants and pledges to build a wall between the United States and Mexico"<br><br>
Which was the popes comment when asked about trumps wall plan to keep out illegal immigrants coming from mexico to the states. The fact that the vatican has walls around it does not infact make him a hypocrite. If he built those walls for the express purpose of keeping his neighbours, the Italians, out. Or if he is actively deporting illegal immigrants from the vatican. Then Baron would be correct. But that's not true in this case.<br><br>
Just to be clear, while the media seems to paint them with the same brush refugees are not illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants cross a border and don't register at all with the new country of residence. As they unlike refugees have no right to be there. Refugees come to a new country claim refugee status, a legal protection, and hope to get accepted into the new country. If they are accepted they adopt the nationality of their new home if not they are asked to leave or are deported. If they resist that then yes they have become illegal immigrants.</p>
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<br><p>Syrian refugees like these guys?<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://m.smh.com.au/world/immigrant-drownings-a-disgrace-says-pope-20131004-2uzoa.html">http://m.smh.com.au/world/immigrant-drownings-a-disgrace-says-pope-20131004-2uzoa.html</a><br><br>
Syrians were hardly an issue when the pope started trying to shame countries into providing a shuttle service. The results of that have been catastrophic.<br><br>
Some more interesting facts to add:<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://frontex.europa.eu/pressroom/news/number-of-migrants-arriving-in-greece-down-40-in-january-Z6DPwo">http://frontex.europa.eu/pressroom/news/number-of-migrants-arriving-in-greece-down-40-in-january-Z6DPwo</a><br><br>
"Winter weather also affected the number of rescued migrants on the Central Mediterranean route. The figure fell 42% month-on-month to 5 600 in January, although it was still 55% higher than in January 2015.<br><br><strong>Nigerians were the most numerous among migrants who were brought to Italy</strong>."<br><br>
Ultimately you can argue the difference between refugees and illegal immigrants until you're blue in the face. It's patently obvious that the pope sees absolutely no difference between the two.<br><br>
I agree that the wall analogy doesn't work, but IMHO the pope is still a hypocrite.</p>
