Apple
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Apple are going to really struggle to keep the App Store model they currently have. This on the back of banning the new streaming platform from Microsoft (and Google's) is going to be hard to win the PR war with.
This ad is brilliant.
Its a world I know nothing about
But a 30% cut seems high
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brilliant ad
is it a monoploly though? surely only effects their devices and apple is now third in the mobile rankings i thought i heard, might be missing something
plus, fortnite is real hard to play on mobile, i wonder how many of their users play on phones
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@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:
brilliant ad
is it a monoploly though? surely only effects their devices and apple is now third in the mobile rankings i thought i heard, might be missing something
plus, fortnite is real hard to play on mobile, i wonder how many of their users play on phones
My daughter is playing it on an iPad right now (with her brother on an xBox).
They aren't a monopoly by any stretch (not the most popular phone in any market, consumers have many choices of platform for many of the same apps). What they are is the most lucrative platform by some distance.
The 30% was probably justifiable for the first 10 years of the app store, but it's starting to look more and more greedy as time goes on. Especially with the record profits Apple make and the fact they just became the first TWO trillion dollar company in market cap.
They legally charge whatever they like (I expect they will win any lawsuits) but they can't win the PR battle. Serious risk they will bleed customers long term over these sorts of decisions. Most people wouldn't give two shits about getting the latest Samsung instead of an iPhone. Particularly if it's the only place you can get the modern game streaming, or their kids want Fortnite.
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@Kirwan yeah...tablet might have been easier than my Iphone 6....
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@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:
@Kirwan yeah...tablet might have been easier than my Iphone 6....
I couldn't play it on either, to be honest. Even using the controller.
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@Bovidae ....had we not all worked out the connection?
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@Kiwiwomble I'm sure many non-Mac people or computer nerds aren't familiar with that ad.
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@Bovidae you might be right but i think its pretty widely know as one of the most iconic ads in history
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@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:
is it a monoploly though?
Their trouble for Apple is they only allow apps from their store. To install third party apps requires jail breaking the device and invalidating the warranty
Google allow third party apps, so don't have the same monopoly
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@nzzp i kind of see that as the digital equivalent of "no shirt, no shoes, no service"...in my store i set the rules...you can still go to a different store
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@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:
is it a monoploly though?
Their trouble for Apple is they only allow apps from their store. To install third party apps requires jail breaking the device and invalidating the warranty
Google allow third party apps, so don't have the same monopoly
Doesn’t that open up the risk of dodgy apps being installed? For all the over the top controls Apple has it does keep you with a clean tight device.
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.. I asked Siri via my iPhone and iwatch and she told me to say that.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:
@nzzp i kind of see that as the digital equivalent of "no shirt, no shoes, no service"...in my store i set the rules...you can still go to a different store
hardly a monopolyYes, it's not a monopoly. Particularly as you have a choice of phone hardware (where andriod is easily the most popular platform) and two other stores from Google and Samsung.
Apple pays for all the infrastructure and costs associated with running the app store, so it's perfectly reasonable to charge for having you apps on it. The issue is what should that charge be?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:
is it a monoploly though?
Their trouble for Apple is they only allow apps from their store. To install third party apps requires jail breaking the device and invalidating the warranty
Google allow third party apps, so don't have the same monopoly
Doesn’t that open up the risk of dodgy apps being installed? For all the over the top controls Apple has it does keep you with a clean tight device.
Yes. Much harder to get malware on an Apple phone for that reason, and much easier to protect your personal information.
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@Kiwiwomble you may well, but regulators may not like it much.
Not judging the outcome, as I don't use Apple products by choice, but they are pretty close to the line
This from June:
How Apple is making the antitrust case against it stronger
Rules applies inconsistently, competitors dismissed, and Congressional invitations ignored
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@nzzp i think you've just shot down your own argument
you dont use Apple by choice, monopoly regulations are about giving people choice, when there are only two airlines and they want to merge...that creates a monopoly...
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@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:
@nzzp i think you've just shot down your own argument
you dont use Apple by choice, monopoly regulations are about giving people choice, when there are only two airlines and they want to merge...that creates a monopoly...
not really. Note it's antitrust, not monopoly. I skimmed over the article - their argument was that Apple fees (at 30%) were very high, and didn't have competition.
Look, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I can see why regulators are interested. They make money hand over fist (which is good for them), but don't tolerate dissent. I suppose it's kind of like facebook - you have the choice to use it (I don't), and they have the right to control what goes on there... until they get to some size where the regulators get interested as they have so much influence.
