Ultimate NPC: - Northland

[Gunner]

@taniwharugby it's a really tough call as I didn't see Morgan play.

Morgan played a record 165 games for Northland and 5 ABs games.
Jack has already played more ABs matches (though 14 v 5 is not significantly more) and there will be many more to come.

Right now - I think Goodhue misses out.
If we have this debate in another few years, Jack may well get his nose in front.

[Duluth]

@Gunner said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

I didn't see Morgan play.

A lot of TSFers wouldn't have

I'd lean towards picking a side that could win a TSF poll vs another side (assuming thats where this competition goes)

[Gunner]

@Duluth said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

I'd lean towards picking a side that could win a TSF poll vs another side (assuming thats where this competition goes)

Very good point.

In that case keep Goodhue.

[shark]

How about someone just names the side that played the 1990 Wallabies, and be done with it.

Warren Johnstone was, and remains the most iconic Northland player for me.

[kev]

To add to prior discussions, I would have Jared Payne at Fullback and Vula Maimuri in my reserves.

[taniwharugby]

OK, so looking like team pretty much picks itself aside from a few positions?
1 - Con Barrell (Northland/North Auckland Caps - 77, AB's - 4 matches, 0 tests)
2 - Whitcombe (20,5) Sloane (146, 1)
3 - Richie Guy (91, 4)
4 - Ian Jones (66, 79)
5 - Glenn Taylor (143, 1)
6 - Norm Maxwell (38, 36)
7 - Gus Collins (114, 0)
8 - Peter Jones (79, 37)
9 - Sid Going (110, 29)
10 - David Holwell (115, 0)
11 - Rupeni Caucau (21, 0)
12 - Johnny Smith (41, 4)
13 - Jack Goodhue (9, 14)
14 - Rene Ranger (88, 6)
15 - Warren Johnstone (161, 0) Jared Payne (36, Ire 20) Norm Berryman (107*, 1)

As above, I'd be inclined to play Taylor as the lock, and Maxwell at 6 to give a bit more grunt at scrumtime, I'd like Berryman in there too, but he'd have to go to push out Johnny Smith (and Goodhue to 12) or go to 15, so not sure he can start

Although is an argument Goodhue could go to Canterbury having played more for them than us...although thye'd probably just loan him out to Ta$man

Who would be Captain? Glenn Taylor? Whitcombe?

http://www.taniwha.co.nz/About-Us/Honours-Board

*Honors board says Berryman played 107 times for Northland, but I found an article after he died stating 75...

[Duluth]

@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

I'd like Berryman in there too, but he'd have to go to push out Johnny Smith (and Goodhue to 12) or go to 15, so not sure he can start

Berryman on the wing, Ranger to 12 and Goodhue stays at 13?

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@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

Who would be Captain? Glenn Taylor? Whitcombe?

I'd go for Taylor. He was massive in leading that late 90's side

[taniwharugby]

@Duluth yeah just a few to finalise.

[Nepia]

If you're going back, wouldn't which ever Going played 10 be a contender against Holwell?

[booboo]

@Nepia said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

If you're going back, wouldn't which ever Going played 10 be a contender against Holwell?

Brian.

(Ken was the fullback.)

[shark]

Didn't Glenn Taylor playa bit of 6? So he'd be there and Maxwell at lock?

[taniwharugby]

@shark he did, but Jones and Maxwell locking...not alot of power there.

So scrums I'd have Taylor locking, elsewhere he could run 6.

We'd have a good lineout I reckon, Maxwell, Jones, Taylor & Gus as targets

[kev]

You have to have Eddie Dunn ahead of David Holwell. Hands down no argument.

[kev]

@Nepia I would rate Eddie Dunn and Brian Going ahead of David Holwell. Ian Dunn played his best rugby after being an All Black, at second five from memory.

[booboo]

No love for David Manako?

Played with him in U21s for Eden (Where I got made captain coz I spoke English as my first language). He joined us after the 1st XV comp finished. Can't remember which school he was at. But he was a contemporary of Willie O. (May not have been 100% qualified to stay in NZ ...)

Was a superstar for us.

Couple of years later I saw some Northland games on TB and he was cutting it up.

Yeah he was no Fred Woodman ... But...

[kev]

@booboo we have a lot of players that are quite good but for whatever reason don’t hang around. He fits into that category.

[taniwharugby]

@kev yeah he was a good winger, but are a few I'd probably be looking at before him, Fero being one, Fetu Vainakolo is another, wothout talking the Woodmans

[taniwharugby]

@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

12 - Johnny Smith (41, 4)
8 - Peter Jones (79, 37)

So we need to remove these 2 as they pre-date the NPC, so I'd say we move Goodhue to 12, either Payne or Berryman to 13.

#8, who do we put here? Could put Tuiali'i here, but Cantabs have more claim to him, but wont need him.

[mariner4life]

how is it that Northland, a province that has won approximately 3 games in the past 30 years, have a better looking team than us?

[Snowy]

@mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

a better looking team than us?