Coronavirus - UK
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@MiketheSnow Isn't it more in the nature of self 'abuse'?!
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Isn't it more in the nature of self 'abuse'?!
Caerphilly gone to Local Lockdown based on a ridiculously small increase in cases and no deaths.
Turns out half are from three lads who went to Ibiza (legally), caught it out there without knowing, returned home and went about their lives because there was no quarantine and no test on return to the UK.
Then the Welsh Government have the audacity to blame them and other young people for spreading it while still keeping the schools open.
Inconsistent
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@Godder but you can not consider all the unhealthy at risk. Their are degrees of sickness. First start off with the sickest of us like the nursing homes where in some states (US) accounted for 50 percent of the deaths. Hate to be callous but these people where like kindling in a fire due to their comorbities and most likely would have died of some other illness. I worked at one of these places. Often confused, diabetics, HTN, renal failure, COPD and chronic UTI. The rest need to be educated about the risk and the responsibility should be placed back of them and those caring for them. I know several older people over here who are tired of being cooped up, like their independence, understand the risks and understand that people younger them are being screwed for just being young and healthy. And others are scared to death about going outside and catching the Rona. Since when are we now responsible for the health of others. And I am not talking about the obvious like if you are symptomatic.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Isn't it more in the nature of self 'abuse'?!
Caerphilly gone to Local Lockdown based on a ridiculously small increase in cases and no deaths.
Turns out half are from three lads who went to Ibiza (legally), caught it out there without knowing, returned home and went about their lives because there was no quarantine and no test on return to the UK.
Then the Welsh Government have the audacity to blame them and other young people for spreading it while still keeping the schools open.
Inconsistent
Yes it is crazy to base decisions on cases. I know the flu is different from covid but what happened if we did the testing we are doing now during the flu season? Would we lock everything down because positive tests would be through the roof. The only metric should be deaths and whether hospitals are overwhelmed. Nothing else.
Most young people are not affected by this virus and certainly children aren’t. Does anyone ever analyze the stats? I work with nurses in home health and they are scared of this virus even though they are young and healthy. It is scary when health care professionals buy into the panic. Saw a covid patient today. Had to gown up and all that crap although he is asymptomatic. It was my last visit. Shook his hand because I am tired of the fear and because squeezing flesh is human and bonding and washed my hands afterwards. He said he hadn’t shook anyone’s hand in a while and appreciated it. Life must go on but unfortunately the politicians making decisions for us are timid creatures and their go to is safety and how they are perceived in the moment. You wouldn’t want to fight along side them in a war.
Recent studies suggest that schools are not a source of the infection. Children are not the super spreaders that was alleged earlier in the piece.
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@broughie maybe the Ministry of Health have put the threshold of vulnerable too low, but I'm not a health professional, so have taken their word for it. Quality Adjusted Life Years is probably a reasonable metric here, so if anyone has any links to analysis, happy to read them.
That said, it's also a really awful way to die. People can minimise risks in lots of ways, but it's hard to eliminate all risk if one lives in a country where Covid-19 is endemic, and nobody cares about the statistical risks when their Nan or Dad is dying from it.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@broughie maybe the Ministry of Health have put the threshold of vulnerable too low, but I'm not a health professional, so have taken their word for it. Quality Adjusted Life Years is probably a reasonable metric here, so if anyone has any links to analysis, happy to read them.
That said, it's also a really awful way to die. People can minimise risks in lots of ways, but it's hard to eliminate all risk if one lives in a country where Covid-19 is endemic, and nobody cares about the statistical risks when their Nan or Dad is dying from it.
Here is a new guy added to Trumps team which I think was needed. Fauci to me is too much of a bureaucrat who is too scared to make a mistake so he is overly safe. But he talks about loss of years.
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@broughie maybe the Ministry of Health have put the threshold of vulnerable too low, but I'm not a health professional, so have taken their word for it. Quality Adjusted Life Years is probably a reasonable metric here, so if anyone has any links to analysis, happy to read them.
That said, it's also a really awful way to die. People can minimise risks in lots of ways, but it's hard to eliminate all risk if one lives in a country where Covid-19 is endemic, and nobody cares about the statistical risks when their Nan or Dad is dying from it.
Here is a new guy added to Trumps team which I think was needed. Fauci to me is too much of a bureaucrat who is too scared to make a mistake so he is overly safe. But he talks about loss of years.
Tremendous watch but he does speak to how I feel and think
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An alternative US view
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@broughie @MiketheSnow A very interesting watch. Liked the science guy but felt the interviewer had an agenda. A couple of things though that were not touched on. They majored on the deaths but firstly did not address the potential for overwhelming of the heath services. Secondly in looking at opening the schools (not that I'm against this), they majored on the risk to the kids and totally ignored they risk of the kids being spreaders. Now I don't know how much of a risk that is, but they did not even address it; this after accusing the Governments of ignoring certain aspects of risk in implementing lockdown.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@broughie @MiketheSnow A very interesting watch. Liked the science guy but felt the interviewer had an agenda. A couple of things though that were not touched on. They majored on the deaths but firstly did not address the potential for overwhelming of the heath services. Secondly in looking at opening the schools (not that I'm against this), they majored on the risk to the kids and totally ignored they risk of the kids being spreaders. Now I don't know how much of a risk that is, but they did not even address it; this after accusing the Governments of ignoring certain aspects of risk in implementing lockdown.
The Atlantic piece above addresses this
Basically 'Look out for Grandma and Grandad'
Is this what they call 'The Nanny State'?
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@broughie @MiketheSnow A very interesting watch. Liked the science guy but felt the interviewer had an agenda. A couple of things though that were not touched on. They majored on the deaths but firstly did not address the potential for overwhelming of the heath services. Secondly in looking at opening the schools (not that I'm against this), they majored on the risk to the kids and totally ignored they risk of the kids being spreaders. Now I don't know how much of a risk that is, but they did not even address it; this after accusing the Governments of ignoring certain aspects of risk in implementing lockdown.
That strategy worked out well in Italy didnt it? Oh wait....
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@Catogrande I think they did not address overwhelming the healthcare system because that was done and dusted. The interview was in June sometime and even in places like Florida where the media were besides themselves about the potential crisis Hospitals were never overwhelmed. I’m not sure if guys really understand how much the media in general is in the tank forLeft-wing and liberal ideology. They go to bat for Cuomo but any conservative they rape over the coals.
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@canefan I’m just presenting studies that don’t support this. It still gets down to kids are rarely affected, they should be in school and the teachers need to be the adults in the room and take precautions if they are at risk. The lives of the kids are more important and more numerous than that of the teachers.
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - UK:
I can’t access the German article but the Swedish one only really addresses how the kids have been affected and not addressed the possibility of them spreading the virus. In fact they simply said no measureable difference in laboratory confirmed cases in school age children. As I said previously, I’m not against the opening of schools but it is too simplistic to suggest that the only consideration is whether the kids themselves are at risk.
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Better late than never
Clear messaging finally
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Waaaaheey! So Birmingham and Solihull restrictions start Tuesday, not allowed in someone else's house but you can still go to the pub...
I'm tired of it all now. What a shitty year.