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    Sep 19, 2020  /  World news

    In 2005, Helios flight 522 crashed into a Greek hillside. Was it because one man forgot to flip a switch?

    In 2005, Helios flight 522 crashed into a Greek hillside. Was it because one man forgot to flip a switch?

    The accident led to the deaths of 121 people, and an eight-year legal battle for engineer Alan Irwin. This is what happens when the finger of blame is pointed at you

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    Oct 8, 2020  /  01:03

    British Airways' last Heathrow-based 747s take off for final flights

    British Airways' last Heathrow-based 747s take off for final flights

    The Boeing-made jets are often described as the "Queen of the Skies" and are renowned for their classic looks engineering.

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    Great that Kiwi's are doing this stuff. Didn't know that they had done three!

    Love this comment too:
    "There is nothing like the sound of twin V-12 Rolls Royce Merlin engines roaring past you at high speed. It's the sound of TWO Spitfires rolled into one (or half a Lancaster!)."

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    Got wood. I'd give my left bollock for a go!

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    @Machpants said in Planes:

    Got wood.

    Very appropriate terminology.

    They are just awesome machines (and yes about giving a bollock for a go).

    The Elle McPherson of planes. Getting a little old but you still want to get in her and take her to heaven and back (thank you Lord Flash heart).

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/jr4wzp/russian_jet_defying_gravity_by_using_a_manuvering/

    Pretty impressive for us ground based grunts 🙂

    Is thrust vectoring the same as VTOL?

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    @Paekakboyz said in Planes:

    Is thrust vectoring the same as VTOL?

    Pretty much. Vertical TO and landing is achieved via thrust vectoring. Harrier the most obvious example. So until someone comes up with a better idea for aeroplanes, yes.

    Helicopters are of course VTOL along with tilt rotors.

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    Thrust vectoring means the vehicle can direct it's thrust. Harriers do it, the F22 does it, most modern ferries, minesweepers, and tug boats do it. Only one of those is capable of (vertical take off and landing) VTOL! Helicopters, tilt rotors, and drones VTOL, but most don't have thrust vectoring.

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    Vectoring your thrust and tilting your rotor sounds rude. Must give it a try, although a kick that results in a VTOL is likely.

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    ah, @Machpants so very much a maneuverability thing. Familiar with the Harrier and also with ships having thrusters, just hadn't considered it with fighter jets for some reason.

    @Crucial that sounds a bit like the Timewarp song from Rocky Horror 🙂

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    Top is full two axis asymmetric capable thrust on a Flanker, the bottom single axis on the F22

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    Vectored thrust was developed to enable VTOL but has moved on for sure. Most modern fighters are inherently unstable so fly by wire and computer technologoly has enabled it to be used for a few more tricks than this:

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    @Snowy Vectored thrust was before then, V2 rocket had vectored thrust, for example. Pre-WW1 airships used gimballed engines too. But yeah modern jet efflux vectoring, that must’ve been one of the first

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    @Machpants Yeah. Was more about the VTOL bit.

    Didn't know that the V2 had it, did know about airships. So has been around for a while for sure.
    Even my twin jet boat is steered by vectored thrust effectively. It doesn't do VTOL so well, although it feels like it at times.

    Still only the Harrier and Yak 38 as only VTOL jets?

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    @Snowy said in Planes:

    @Machpants Yeah. Was more about the VTOL bit.

    Didn't know that the V2 had it, did know about airships. So has been around for a while for sure.
    Even my twin jet boat is steered by vectored thrust effectively. It doesn't do VTOL so well, although it feels like it at times.

    Still only the Harrier and Yak 38 as only VTOL jets?

    nah F35, but doesn’t just use vectored thrust, most of the vertical thrust is a vertical ‘spare’ engine!

    3b27205c-8912-45d2-9541-6b42ae1dcd92-image.jpeg https://i.stack.imgur.com/sLg9E.jpg

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    @Machpants Yeah, yeah. There were a few that had some sort of fan type thing rather than completely vectored. Wasn't the F35 STOVL rather than VTOL?

    Yak 38:
    "The Yakovlev Yak-38 (Russian: Яковлев Як-38; NATO reporting name: "Forger") was the Soviet Naval Aviation's only operational VTOL strike fighter aircraft in addition to being its first operational carrier-based fixed-wing aircraft."

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    F35 has VTOL, like the harrier can't carry shit whilst doing it

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    @Machpants said in Planes:

    F35 has VTOL, like the harrier can't carry shit whilst doing it

    So we're up to three jet VTOl (that are basicaly useless) as they can't lift anything.

    No wonder there are only three.

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    @Snowy looks pretty flash though 😁

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    @Paekakboyz said in Planes:

    @Snowy looks pretty flash though 😁

    Definitely fun - as long as you don't have to shoot back (or eject, as you don't have the fuel).

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