Planes
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@Machpants said in Planes:
Got wood.
Very appropriate terminology.
They are just awesome machines (and yes about giving a bollock for a go).
The Elle McPherson of planes. Getting a little old but you still want to get in her and take her to heaven and back (thank you Lord Flash heart).
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Pretty impressive for us ground based grunts
Is thrust vectoring the same as VTOL?
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@Paekakboyz said in Planes:
Is thrust vectoring the same as VTOL?
Pretty much. Vertical TO and landing is achieved via thrust vectoring. Harrier the most obvious example. So until someone comes up with a better idea for aeroplanes, yes.
Helicopters are of course VTOL along with tilt rotors.
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Thrust vectoring means the vehicle can direct it's thrust. Harriers do it, the F22 does it, most modern ferries, minesweepers, and tug boats do it. Only one of those is capable of (vertical take off and landing) VTOL! Helicopters, tilt rotors, and drones VTOL, but most don't have thrust vectoring.
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ah, @Machpants so very much a maneuverability thing. Familiar with the Harrier and also with ships having thrusters, just hadn't considered it with fighter jets for some reason.
@Crucial that sounds a bit like the Timewarp song from Rocky Horror
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@Machpants Yeah. Was more about the VTOL bit.
Didn't know that the V2 had it, did know about airships. So has been around for a while for sure.
Even my twin jet boat is steered by vectored thrust effectively. It doesn't do VTOL so well, although it feels like it at times.Still only the Harrier and Yak 38 as only VTOL jets?
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@Machpants Yeah. Was more about the VTOL bit.
Didn't know that the V2 had it, did know about airships. So has been around for a while for sure.
Even my twin jet boat is steered by vectored thrust effectively. It doesn't do VTOL so well, although it feels like it at times.Still only the Harrier and Yak 38 as only VTOL jets?
nah F35, but doesn’t just use vectored thrust, most of the vertical thrust is a vertical ‘spare’ engine!
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@Machpants Yeah, yeah. There were a few that had some sort of fan type thing rather than completely vectored. Wasn't the F35 STOVL rather than VTOL?
Yak 38:
"The Yakovlev Yak-38 (Russian: Яковлев Як-38; NATO reporting name: "Forger") was the Soviet Naval Aviation's only operational VTOL strike fighter aircraft in addition to being its first operational carrier-based fixed-wing aircraft." -
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@Snowy looks pretty flash though 😁
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@Paekakboyz said in Planes:
@Snowy looks pretty flash though 😁
Definitely fun - as long as you don't have to shoot back (or eject, as you don't have the fuel).
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Thinking about that - it means that you can hide in a forest / jungle clearing and avoid the people shooting at you thing. Nice. Doesn't achieve the purpose of being at war and killing people, but at least you don't die.
A bit like me wanting to fly B52's after all of the engine failures I had over the years. Eight engines is fantastic to keep you aloft if one fails - but you have eight times the chance of having a failure too. Warped logic all around.
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@Machpants said in Planes:
F35 has VTOL, like the harrier can't carry shit whilst doing it
How to make a plane ludicrously expensive for very little benefit.
