Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?
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@MajorRage said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Catogrande said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Something that has become really prevalent in recent(wish) years and cannot help matters is the cheap supersizing of things. Small bottle of coke 80p, huge bottle of coke £1.05. Stuff like Maccy Ds. bigging up to nearly twice the stuff only costs a few pennies more. KFC the same. 6 pieces of that popcorn shit for £3. 12 pieces plus chips and a family size bottle of fizzy pop sugarade for £4.50.
Edit: I realise the actual prices quoted might be wrong but the underlying problem isn't.
To be honest, I find the healthcampaigns around Fast Food at completely the wrong approach.
To say you shouldn't eat something is ridiculous. It creates a counter-intuitive response of fuck you establishment. McD, KFC etc should be promoted as treats. I think I crave KFC about once every 6 months, and every time I crave it, I have it. The rest of my family is he same with McD. I can personally take or leave McD no problems,.
Well it is called junk food. Surely that should create a few red flags.
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@NTA said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@gt12 said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Fat fluffybunnies really stick out.
Usually in a dohyo...
Funnily enough, one of my old students became a sumo wrestler! He got fucking massive but most of those guys get small once they retire as they have to eat so much to maintain the bulk.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MajorRage said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Catogrande said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Something that has become really prevalent in recent(wish) years and cannot help matters is the cheap supersizing of things. Small bottle of coke 80p, huge bottle of coke £1.05. Stuff like Maccy Ds. bigging up to nearly twice the stuff only costs a few pennies more. KFC the same. 6 pieces of that popcorn shit for £3. 12 pieces plus chips and a family size bottle of fizzy pop sugarade for £4.50.
Edit: I realise the actual prices quoted might be wrong but the underlying problem isn't.
To be honest, I find the healthcampaigns around Fast Food at completely the wrong approach.
To say you shouldn't eat something is ridiculous. It creates a counter-intuitive response of fuck you establishment. McD, KFC etc should be promoted as treats. I think I crave KFC about once every 6 months, and every time I crave it, I have it. The rest of my family is he same with McD. I can personally take or leave McD no problems,.
Well it is called junk food. Surely that should create a few red flags.
Exactly. Treat Food.
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@MajorRage said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Catogrande said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Something that has become really prevalent in recent(wish) years and cannot help matters is the cheap supersizing of things. Small bottle of coke 80p, huge bottle of coke £1.05. Stuff like Maccy Ds. bigging up to nearly twice the stuff only costs a few pennies more. KFC the same. 6 pieces of that popcorn shit for £3. 12 pieces plus chips and a family size bottle of fizzy pop sugarade for £4.50.
Edit: I realise the actual prices quoted might be wrong but the underlying problem isn't.
To be honest, I find the healthcampaigns around Fast Food at completely the wrong approach.
To say you shouldn't eat something is ridiculous. It creates a counter-intuitive response of fuck you establishment. McD, KFC etc should be promoted as treats. I think I crave KFC about once every 6 months, and every time I crave it, I have it. The rest of my family is he same with McD. I can personally take or leave McD no problems,.
And it tastes better that way too.
My ‘couldn’t give up’ food when I was trying to lose weight was Maccas - usually on weekends I needed it after big nights. So, I allowed myself to have it if I cut out the coke and had fewer fries (so a burger, med fries and sparkling water) and required myself to run at least 4kms. It was weird but I enjoyed Maccas much much more as a result.
I think you are right about personally wanting it though - I can only stick with my diet if I’m seeing results and feeling good. That usually makes the first 14 days the hardest, and now that I know that, its not such an issue. In 2009 though I’m not sure how or why I stuck with it. Honestly speaking, I think it was because my relationship was falling apart at that time, so running provided me with an excuse to get out of the house and talk with my friend (who was a runner).
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@MajorRage Isn't this the defence the fast-food industry pumps out, that you need a balanced diet, their food is a treat etc.
Yet they spend millions on advertising, lure kids with toys, characters and are open 24 hours a day with a store in nearly every city in the world.
I highly doubt the execs of Maccas are thinking about how to stop people eating so much of their food.The system we currently have is clearly not working as there are more fat fluffybunnies now than ever before.
I noticed our local Maccas now have their own fleet of delivery vehicles to make it even easier for you to access that once in a while treat food.
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@Nepia said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Funny this thread appears today. I have an appointment with a dietician tomorrow.
I'm not a fatty these days but was back pre-2014 when I shed over 20kg and I've mostly been able to keep that off since.
But, I was getting a bunch of migraines through most of this year (1 or 2 a week at one stage) and studies have found that high cholesterol in older women
is a possible factor in triggering them.So I had a cholesterol test and it was crazy bad, worse than any pre-2014 one when I was a fatty eating lots of carbs and sweets. So they want to put me on meds, but first I have to have a dieticians appointment. Not sure what I'll get out of it.
Possibly an unpopular suggestion here on the fern but have you considered reducing the amount of animal products in your diet. I have no idea of your circumstances but it helped some people I know. Good luck getting it under control.
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@Catogrande said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Something that has become really prevalent in recent(wish) years and cannot help matters is the cheap supersizing of things. Small bottle of coke 80p, huge bottle of coke £1.05. Stuff like Maccy Ds. bigging up to nearly twice the stuff only costs a few pennies more. KFC the same. 6 pieces of that popcorn shit for £3. 12 pieces plus chips and a family size bottle of fizzy pop sugarade for £4.50.
Edit: I realise the actual prices quoted might be wrong but the underlying problem isn't.
I swear a quarter pounder is much smaller than it was a couple of decades ago...
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@Bones said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Catogrande said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Something that has become really prevalent in recent(wish) years and cannot help matters is the cheap supersizing of things. Small bottle of coke 80p, huge bottle of coke £1.05. Stuff like Maccy Ds. bigging up to nearly twice the stuff only costs a few pennies more. KFC the same. 6 pieces of that popcorn shit for £3. 12 pieces plus chips and a family size bottle of fizzy pop sugarade for £4.50.
Edit: I realise the actual prices quoted might be wrong but the underlying problem isn't.
I swear a quarter pounder is much smaller than it was a couple of decades ago...
Pringles definitely are. And Mars bars.
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@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MajorRage Isn't this the defence the fast-food industry pumps out, that you need a balanced diet, their food is a treat etc.
Yet they spend millions on advertising, lure kids with toys, characters and are open 24 hours a day with a store in nearly every city in the world.
I highly doubt the execs of Maccas are thinking about how to stop people eating so much of their food.The system we currently have is clearly not working as there are more fat fluffybunnies now than ever before.
I noticed our local Maccas now have their own fleet of delivery vehicles to make it even easier for you to access that once in a while treat food.
Capitalism, is capitalism. In a free country, people have free choices, and companies have free choices to advertise. The same above (with exception of kids) applies to alcohol as well.
People are fat because of the choices they make (in almost all circumstances). If McD/KFC aren't there, then another avenue will be found.
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Excise tax on sugar and fat, spend the money susidising decent food and meals.
Related, families work and commute a lot more than 60 years ago, so have less time to prepare veges etc. That's a macroeconomic issue, but would be something I would personally work on (says the resident leftie).
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Get a dog, preferably a rescue.
A real dog that needs walking.
Walk said dog three times a day, every day, no matter the weather.
You'll clock up 5-10 miles a day and more importantly be walking when you could be on the couch motionless and most probably snacking.
Snacking is such an ingrained thing now with parents that children can't go 10 mins without a drink and a snack. Fuck we used to go between breakfast and lunch, and then lunch and dinner without eating when I was a kid.
My brother and I had one can of pop (soda) a week.
My mum bought milkshake powder and we could have as much milk as we liked.
Parents have a lot to answer for.
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@MajorRage Agreed, but the bigger question is do we actually have free choice? Do we choose to buy the big mac or has the years of advertising, availability etc etc drive our purchasing decisions?
I like to think I am open minded and can make rational decisions based off the information available. Yet I often find myself doing things that go against logic and I can't help but feel I am influenced more than I like to admit by the avalanche of advertising etc.
Companies are getting so good at understanding human behaviour they can often predict when to advertise to you. I read that one large department store could tell when a woman was pregnant based off her buying habits and would alter all of the specials and information that was displayed to her in brochures, emails, coupons etc. The consumer is likely none the wiser and thinks they have choice, but the company is targeting her to change her behaviour. One anecdote was a father complained to the store saying why the fuck is my teenage daughter getting coupons for baby things. He later apologised saying his daughter was pregnant after all.
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@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MajorRage Agreed, but the bigger question is do we actually have free choice? Do we choose to buy the big mac or has the years of advertising, availability etc etc drive our purchasing decisions?
I like to think I am open minded and can make rational decisions based off the information available. Yet I often find myself doing things that go against logic and I can't help but feel I am influenced more than I like to admit by the avalanche of advertising etc.
Companies are getting so good at understanding human behaviour they can often predict when to advertise to you. I read that one large department store could tell when a woman was pregnant based off her buying habits and would alter all of the specials and information that was displayed to her in brochures, emails, coupons etc. The consumer is likely none the wiser and thinks they have choice, but the company is targeting her to change her behaviour. One anecdote was a father complained to the store saying why the fuck is my teenage daughter getting coupons for baby things. He later apologised saying his daughter was pregnant after all.
With all due respect mate I feel you're looking for excuses. At the end of the day nobody is forcing you to do anything. If you're unhappy about something then do something about it.
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@MiketheSnow said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Snacking is such an ingrained thing now with parents that children can't go 10 mins without a drink and a snack. Fuck we used to go between breakfast and lunch, and then lunch and dinner without eating when I was a kid.
Parents have a lot to answer for.
Yep, snacking and grazing for 16-18 hours a day likely has a lot to do with it. I am not smart enough to understand the science but something about your body needing plenty of time without food to use the stored fat. If you are always eating your body will use that energy first.
I also read that the food industry was behind the big push that you needed a big breakfast to have energy for the day ahead. A good way to get people to eat more and get kids into the habit of sweet sugar loaded corn flakes in the morning.
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I studied Biochemistry and Human Nutrition to PhD and the best book out there in my opinion is Michael Pollan's 'Food Rules'
Summed up in 7 words
"Eat food, not too much, mostly plants."
Article here
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Yep I agree with you, I am the only one to blame for being overweight. I am just trying to understand why myself and so many others are making poor choices when it was uncommon only generations ago. Am I simply a lazy fluffybunny or are there other factors at play and is there something that can be done to help people like me? Yes I know, exercise more and eat less
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@MiketheSnow said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Summed up in 7 words
"Eat food, not too much, mostly plants."
Ahh yes, but he didn't mention wine now, did he...
So I'm all good, right?
Right???
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@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MiketheSnow said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Snacking is such an ingrained thing now with parents that children can't go 10 mins without a drink and a snack. Fuck we used to go between breakfast and lunch, and then lunch and dinner without eating when I was a kid.
Parents have a lot to answer for.
Yep, snacking and grazing for 16-18 hours a day likely has a lot to do with it. I am not smart enough to understand the science but something about your body needing plenty of time without food to use the stored fat. If you are always eating your body will use that energy first.
I also read that the food industry was behind the big push that you needed a big breakfast to have energy for the day ahead. A good way to get people to eat more and get kids into the habit of sweet sugar loaded corn flakes in the morning.
To be fair breakfast comes from 'break fast' when people used to wake in the middle of the night to eat.
A solid breakfast is a sound start to the day
The old adage
'Breakfast like a King; lunch like a Prince; and dinner like a pauper' works
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@voodoo said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MiketheSnow said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Summed up in 7 words
"Eat food, not too much, mostly plants."
Ahh yes, but he didn't mention wine now, did he...
So I'm all good, right?
Right???
Yep
Alcoholics are thin as fuck normally.
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@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MiketheSnow said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Snacking is such an ingrained thing now with parents that children can't go 10 mins without a drink and a snack. Fuck we used to go between breakfast and lunch, and then lunch and dinner without eating when I was a kid.
Parents have a lot to answer for.
Yep, snacking and grazing for 16-18 hours a day likely has a lot to do with it. I am not smart enough to understand the science but something about your body needing plenty of time without food to use the stored fat. If you are always eating your body will use that energy first.
I also read that the food industry was behind the big push that you needed a big breakfast to have energy for the day ahead. A good way to get people to eat more and get kids into the habit of sweet sugar loaded corn flakes in the morning.
Corn flakes were originally invented as an anaphrodesiac! I don't think there was anything nefarious about it, at least in the beginning. The founder of Kelloggs was a hardcore clean living vegetarian God botherer.
Food Rules: An Eater's Manual: Amazon.co.uk: Pollan, Michael: 8601300111490: Books
Food & Recipes
John Harvey Kellogg - Wikipedia
