Black Caps v Pakistan
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Vettori definitely has a few, it is only him and Hadlee that have better figures for a match than Jamieson achieved today (I think 4th best?).
Today's return is NZ's 6th best, but you're right that only Hadlee and Vettori have better figures.
Someone asked if getting 10 in the 6th test is NZ's fastest, but apparently that was Jack Cowie who got 10 in his 2nd test. Chris Pringle got 11 in his 3rd test, also against Pakistan, as did Mark Craig which was also against Pakistan.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Didn’t Dion Nash get his 10fer very early on in his career ?
He's definitely on the board at Lords
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@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Didn’t Dion Nash get his 10fer very early on in his career ?
That was his 5th test. He also scored a 50.
Decent player but let’s hope Jamieson surpasses him
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
What a special special team.
I'm explaining to my lad that this isn't normal for NZ cricket and to revel in it while we can. Best test team I can remember
I actually get a bit angry when I hear people saying they are waiting for the Black Craps to turn up.
We haven't been rubbish since McCullum and Hesson took over the team. There have been blips but it has been an upwards trajectory the whole way. This helps for the future of NZ cricket too as kids watch their idols at the top of the world!
Spot on. We've been steadily improving for quite a few years now. That said, this team is full of green generational talent for us... Similar to the great Aussie side of the late 90s. Just so many great players at the same time.
Kyle is a hell of a find. Remarkable player.
Spot on. Henry Nicholls will go to bed tonight with a test batting average of 43.91. Yet in terms of longevity/talent/impact etc I still think he's comfortably the 4th best batsman in this team.
We also have a keeper who is great at his job and scores crucial runs when needed.
Boult has been our main spearhead for a number of years but the reemergence of Southee, Wagner staying angry and Jamieson taking to test cricket better than ANY bowler I can remember possibly puts him at 4th place presently.
We don't have a test class spinner. Fuck it. No team is perfect. Last time we did the rest of the team was shithouse.
It's no coincidence this team is doing so well with the individuals we have running around.
Dammit I thought you were saying this to wind me up and I was about to bite.... but you're not wrong. Can't say Blundell or Watling are better batsmen.
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
What a special special team.
I'm explaining to my lad that this isn't normal for NZ cricket and to revel in it while we can. Best test team I can remember
I actually get a bit angry when I hear people saying they are waiting for the Black Craps to turn up.
We haven't been rubbish since McCullum and Hesson took over the team. There have been blips but it has been an upwards trajectory the whole way. This helps for the future of NZ cricket too as kids watch their idols at the top of the world!
Spot on. We've been steadily improving for quite a few years now. That said, this team is full of green generational talent for us... Similar to the great Aussie side of the late 90s. Just so many great players at the same time.
Kyle is a hell of a find. Remarkable player.
Spot on. Henry Nicholls will go to bed tonight with a test batting average of 43.91. Yet in terms of longevity/talent/impact etc I still think he's comfortably the 4th best batsman in this team.
We also have a keeper who is great at his job and scores crucial runs when needed.
Boult has been our main spearhead for a number of years but the reemergence of Southee, Wagner staying angry and Jamieson taking to test cricket better than ANY bowler I can remember possibly puts him at 4th place presently.
We don't have a test class spinner. Fuck it. No team is perfect. Last time we did the rest of the team was shithouse.
It's no coincidence this team is doing so well with the individuals we have running around.
Dammit I thought you were saying this to wind me up and I was about to bite.... but you're not wrong. Can't say Blundell or Watling are better batsmen.
Watling is extremely reliable but to me he’s still a keeper who just happens to be an excellent batsman. Blundell is still far too green to place any higher than he is.
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@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I'll just leave this here
The Bobs and Vagene crowd are in full meltdown mode because he’s never played away from NZ. It’s very rabid and amusing.
What I like most about the big fella is his apparent humbleness, its great to see.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
What a special special team.
I'm explaining to my lad that this isn't normal for NZ cricket and to revel in it while we can. Best test team I can remember
I actually get a bit angry when I hear people saying they are waiting for the Black Craps to turn up.
We haven't been rubbish since McCullum and Hesson took over the team. There have been blips but it has been an upwards trajectory the whole way. This helps for the future of NZ cricket too as kids watch their idols at the top of the world!
Spot on. We've been steadily improving for quite a few years now. That said, this team is full of green generational talent for us... Similar to the great Aussie side of the late 90s. Just so many great players at the same time.
Kyle is a hell of a find. Remarkable player.
Spot on. Henry Nicholls will go to bed tonight with a test batting average of 43.91. Yet in terms of longevity/talent/impact etc I still think he's comfortably the 4th best batsman in this team.
We also have a keeper who is great at his job and scores crucial runs when needed.
Boult has been our main spearhead for a number of years but the reemergence of Southee, Wagner staying angry and Jamieson taking to test cricket better than ANY bowler I can remember possibly puts him at 4th place presently.
We don't have a test class spinner. Fuck it. No team is perfect. Last time we did the rest of the team was shithouse.
It's no coincidence this team is doing so well with the individuals we have running around.
Dammit I thought you were saying this to wind me up and I was about to bite.... but you're not wrong. Can't say Blundell or Watling are better batsmen.
Watling is extremely reliable but to me he’s still a keeper who just happens to be an excellent batsman. Blundell is still far too green to place any higher than he is.
Agree. Watlings batting is more based on attrition and grit, where Nicholls is more able to put bad balls away.
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@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I'll just leave this here
How many of our players have those averages reversed?
Not to demean him unduly but MJ Henry averages:
Bat: 18.66
Bowl: 51.54Poor bugger
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@Snowy said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
MOTM is gonna be tough. Poor old Nicholls won’t even get a look in despite his fine innings.
Kyle MOTM for sure. It's tough taking 20 wickets in a match, without his efforts the game would be meandering to a draw.
Not much doubt about MOTM now for mine. 6-38 in this innings.
The pitch has done a bit but we had effectively 4 centuries in our one innings over two days. So it was manageable.
Jamieson has completely taken that away from the Pakistan batsmen. Highest score of 93 over two innings (strangely Henry got Ali) but they just couldn't escape Jamieson. He just continued to take out batsmen that were set in both innings without even conceding runs.
Kane's innings was NZ's 12th highest in an innings.
Jamieson's match figures were NZ's 6th best ever.
On that basis, I think they got it right.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Snowy said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
MOTM is gonna be tough. Poor old Nicholls won’t even get a look in despite his fine innings.
Kyle MOTM for sure. It's tough taking 20 wickets in a match, without his efforts the game would be meandering to a draw.
Not much doubt about MOTM now for mine. 6-38 in this innings.
The pitch has done a bit but we had effectively 4 centuries in our one innings over two days. So it was manageable.
Jamieson has completely taken that away from the Pakistan batsmen. Highest score of 93 over two innings (strangely Henry got Ali) but they just couldn't escape Jamieson. He just continued to take out batsmen that were set in both innings without even conceding runs.
Kane's innings was NZ's 12th highest in an innings.
Jamieson's figures were NZ's 6th best ever.
On that basis, I think they got it right.
Yep. That was my thought as well, and the match situation to actually take the win. Not taking anything away from Kane, he put us in a position to win in the first place, but the old "batsmen can draw games, bowlers can win them" comes to mind.
I tried to find the number of double centuries compared to 10 wickets taken ever, to see which is rarer. Just a comparison because each match will have different circumstances that might make one achievement greater than the other, but I suspect that 10 is harder to achieve than 200 historically (over all teams)?
