@bayimports said in NZ tour of India:

@ARHS strange because not only did he get a wicket, but conceding 8 was comparatively cheap and he was not seen again in the innings especially when compared to the expensive mess that was Tickner, Ferguson..

Ferguson was always likely to get overs regardless but not bowling Bracewell again in my mind was not the right decision.

Yep totally agree

I didn’t watch the game cos too late. But how do those that did rate Kanes innings? Crucial in the context of the game, or too slow (again) to the extent that he put huge pressure on Phillips?

Obviously the runs were important, but I wonder if a special innings like Phillips produced is masking the same issues we keep seeing with Kane in the shorter form of the game?

You certainly can’t ask Phillips to bat like that every game, though I guess he had 11 balls to spare so maybe he didn’t quite need to here!

@Rapido said in NZ Super Smash 20/20:

Lance Cairns hit 59% of all the 6s hit by New Zealanders in internationals during the span of his career.

(although cricinfo's records are incomplete, some games boundaries haven't been retained in the uploaded scorecards).
He hit 69 known sixes of the known 117 known sixes NZers hit in tests and ODIs during his time.

Or, another way ...

Nzers batted 1963 times for 177 sixes Cairns batted 130 times for 69 sixes Batting records | Combined Test, ODI and T20I records | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com Batting records | Combined Test, ODI and T20I records | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

Also the boundaries were way longer and you had to clear the fence that marked the boundary for the full six runs to be scored, hitting the fence on the full only counted for four. The bats he used would not have had the benefit of the minute computer design analysis todays slabs of willow are given to ensure they were optimal for six hitting. It is not uncommon to see mishits and thick top edges going for six these days.

Good little prelim final last night

A tricky, sticky little low slow wicket in Sydney allowed the Heat to strangle the Sixers to 116/9

Which, with their pretty average batting lineup, was still a tough chase. And it took Michael Neser score nearly a quarter of the runs in the game to get them home

So the Heat have gone from basically the bottom at the near half way mark, to making the Final

Where Perth will most probably destroy them

One of our biggest problems of late is that Kane hasn't played much test cricket, and our standards and consistency across the whole team notably dropped away, leading to that loss against the bloody Bangles at home.

they also hugely improved their side by having sack the desperately average Tim Paine

@dogmeat said in England v Pakistan:

@Catogrande I think every Black Cap supporter can sympathise with English fans and appreciate them enjoying their success.

As I have said elsewhere though, they do seem to have had every bit of luck go their way. Whilst yeah you make your own luck and Bazball amplifies that, I do fear a readjustment is in sight. Hopefully for the England fans, their team's confidence is so high that they weather the knockbacks better than in the past.

Great performance though. I can easily see a 3-0 result when NZ tour Pakistan too, but unfortunately in favour of the home team.

Our press are considerably less wanky though

@canefan said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:

@Chris said in T20 World Cup NZ v PAK:

Really a poor power play by NZ,with the pitch slowing up that was the time to hit boundaries with the field up.
Poor field settings when Pakistan were chasing to easy to find gaps no pressure applied.
A ridgid bowling plan which made it easy for Pakistain to plan their run chase.
And really a bad bowling effort lost length badly and not enough off pace deliveries no knuckle balls, virtually nothing out of the back of the hand.
Shit performance all round with no vision to change things up.

We saved our worst outing for last, although I felt that we had started to stall even in the games against England and Ireland

Yep I agree,It had that feeling we were fading around the England game.

@Chris-B so she's not the chick out of The Boys?

@MN5 said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:

@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:

@Crucial said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:

@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:

That was still a pretty decent chase. If Kane even went 40 from 30 and had 10 deliveries to one of our more aggressive batsmen, who knows…

That was actually a good partnership 91 runs at a 150 SR (even with Kane sandbagging)

We really needed Neesh or Mitchell to stay in which would have given either another 10-15 balls and a chance to hit a few big shots.
GP also choked up when the wickets started falling and only struck at 100 after KW was dismissed.

The thing with Neesh and Mitchell was when they came in and we were very much up against it so they were under pressure. I still think we would’ve come up short if they went their standard strike rates for an extra over.

Anyway hopefully a few lessons learned for both bat and ball.

Yeah but by the very nature of T20 as a format shouldn’t they be used to that ?

When Neesh came in there were 5 overs to go and we needed 61 to win. So not a lot of time and 12+ RR required. After 4 balls if you haven’t hit a couple of boundaries (on what was a slowing pitch), then you are in a bit of pain for the next over etc. If the required RR is under the 2 runs a ball then I just think the pressure is quite different.

@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup - NZ v Sri Lanka:

@MN5 said in T20 World Cup - NZ v Sri Lanka:

@Damo said in T20 World Cup - NZ v Sri Lanka:

Maybe Guptill in for Kane. Shift Conway to 3.

Sacrilege?

Not at all. I’d rather he re established himself at the top of the test rankings again.

Steve Smith ( crumbs, what an ordinary T20 record ) and Joe Root don’t worry about this format of the game. Virat Kohli does but his test performances have suffered of late.

But different for Kohli given the IPL and its prominence, the amount of dosh he’s making and him being the Indian captain. They want him in the side regardless.

Definitely, and in terms of “all formats” Kohli could be regarded as the best of the four ( especially given Smiths surprisingly shit T20 record for a guy who averages bang on 60 at test level )…..the “fuck you bloody” crowd would certainly have this viewpoint.

But KW could be replaced by a bits and pieces hitter and the team wouldn’t suffer too much.

Not too much damage done, though.

Even if we lose to England, we'll be at a loss and a draw, while the loser between them and Oz will be at two losses.

As long as we can beat SL and Ireland we'll make it through.

T20 is such a crapshoot it doesn't much much matter if you're top qualifiers.

@KiwiMurph said in T20 World Cup - Other Matches:

Just have the qualification tournament earlier/separate.

I found that utterly weird: "Here's another mini tournament before we throw you in against the big boys. Enjoy that"

Good warmup games I guess but it basically went under the radar for me.

@No-Quarter said in T20 World Cup - NZ v Aus:

@MN5 said in T20 World Cup - NZ v Aus:

@No-Quarter said in T20 World Cup - NZ v Aus:

@Crucial said in T20 World Cup - NZ v Aus:

It was a bloody enjoyable win but it is also T20 and sometimes one thing can swing the whole shape of the game. If Allen’s onslaught hadn’t come off (and it won’t always) Captain Kane would have dragged down the run rate and we’d have been lucky to get 150-160.
If Warner hadn’t down a clown act to get out (pure comedy) the Oz batting shape could have also been much different.
Not saying it was only luck just that luck can play a big part sometimes.

Coulda shoulda woulda, who gives a fuck, lots of moments have gone against us over the years as well. Warner's a fucking tin arse and rides his luck all the time, nice to see it run out for once. We just wiped the fucking floor with them in a WC in front of 40k baying Australians. It doesn't get much better than that, just enjoy it man.

Has @Virgil hacked your account ?

Not sure you can refer to a guy with a record as impressive as Warners as a “tin arse” no matter what his personality is like.

But yeah, in saying that I’m certainly enjoying the victory !

Yeah, Warner is ridiculously talented, which is why he often gets away with being a tin arse in T20s. Any batsmen that comes out and goes hell for leather from the get go needs a fair amount of luck to pull it off. To say we were lucky to get him out ignores all the chances and half chances he gets away with. I'm hoping Allen can be even half the time arse Warner is.

Baz has entered the chat

Ish got absolutely pummeled.

Haidar Ali taking 25 runs off one over - and he only bowled six balls.

Pakistan about to sneak home, with a handful of balls remaining.

They need 4 off the final over.

@nostrildamus said in Hadlee-Chappell ODI 1.0 + 2.0 + dead rubber:

nb I didn't know his childhood nickname was "Bungalow"-that's a good one!

Nikhil Anand  /  Nov 24, 2015  /  Cricket Facts 14 Captivating facts about Sir Ian Botham - The Best English All-Rounder 14 Captivating facts about Sir Ian Botham - The Best English All-Rounder

14 Captivating facts about Sir Ian Botham - The Best English All-Rounder: Sir Ian Botham, the former England captain, is perhaps one of the greatest all-r

Love Beefy. An absolute legend.

@Donsteppa said in Big Bash League 2022/23:

So seeing Trent Boult and Colin Munro being picked up in the BBL draft overnight wasn't a surprise. CdG being picked up was though, and it's also a surprise to NZC apparently...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300673239/new-zealand-cricket-surprised-by-colin-de-grandhommes-bbl-draft-selection

Two of my favourite sports to watch are being governed like shit at the moment

@MN5 said in NZ Cricket 2022:

@Chris said in NZ Cricket 2022:

@MN5 said in NZ Cricket 2022:

@Chris said in NZ Cricket 2022:

@Dan54 said in NZ Cricket 2022:

@Chris said in NZ Cricket 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in NZ Cricket 2022:

@Chris said in NZ Cricket 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in NZ Cricket 2022:

Anyone know much about Je ry Shipley? I see he has been named in the one day squad and is being touted as an all rounder. I am hoping he is not another bits and pieces player, ok at both but not outstanding in either.

26 year old 1.95cm all rounder plays in the Country comp in Canterbury.
Decent pace and sharp bounce being a tall bowler.
Good bat.

A few from the Shipley family have been decent cricketers and rugby players.

Would he be good enough to hold a spot in either discipline if he wasn't an 'all-rounder'?

As a bowler yes, below from an article on him

He was the leading wicket-taker in last season’s domestic Super Smash T20 competition (18 at 14.11) and is currently tied for second on the Ford Trophy one-day wicket-taking table (12 at 11.91), boosted by his hat-trick against Wellington last month..

I think he has really come on in the last 18 months so the stats are moving in the right direction.

Have you seen anything of him Chris? Firta I heard of him was on news, and surely don't claim to enough about cricket to tell if he is good. Looked a little awkward batting being so tall, not sure if it makes difference or anything?
You the cricket man here, so up to you to advise if you don't mind me asking.

A little bit when I was back in NZ ,
Worth a punt as Nz need big tall quicks in my opinion.
Can find the boundary down the lower order if needed.
I like the idea of trying another Jamieson type player.And we lack true allrounders of international quality in NZ .

Not an exclusively NZ problem, Mitchell Starc is rated 5th in the world at test level somehow ?!?!

I do wish Neesham and/or Anderson did the business at test level, both had real potential.

The ratings are ridiculous. Littered with batsmen who produce a good bowling performance once in a blue moon and bowlers who bat ok here and there. Fuck all genuine stars of both disciplines.

Australia have a few allrounders Cameron Green fits well into the AR catergory .
Glen Maxwell in the short form is another.
Ashton Agar can bat in the short form is another.
And a lot playing first class just no gaps in the test side.

Lack of quality allrounders at test level is a problem world wide.
The country who develops a couple have a big advantage in balancing their side.
So anytime NZ are trying someone I am glad they are having a punt.

Cameron Green has potential but hasn’t really delivered yet. Still plenty of time and I suspect he will.

It’s a good thing Agar shows talent as a batsman cos as a bowler he makes Mitch Santner look like Shane Warne.

The shorter forms of the game have loads of all rounder types who are found wanting in the longer forms. That’s nothing new.

Green is the one who will kick on to be a serious allrounder he is young still.
Brilliant in the gully as well.
Takes time for young allrounders to get to a real quality level.
The problem is most young players here in Australia who have the potential in both disciplines steer towards batting due to 20/20s no young players want go get pumped as it’s bad for further rep selection.
Their attitude is best to pour hours in to batting.
The work I do in the Qld state rep
u/19 and U/17 space
Sees not many true allrounders any more ,
Good bats who can roll their arm over or genuine bowlers who can add a few runs down the order.
An add on to that parents are inclined to steer the players that way,A lot competition for Rep slots here,always have to look good,
you never know who is watching attitude.

Well on the subject of coaches, the BCs would do well to move on from Stead as well

From Brian Laras FB page…….

WTF!!! We were just sipping on a beer celebrating Warnie’s life and enjoying each other’s company💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
Our great friendship and respect for each other started the very first minute we met in battle. You were such a competitor doing any and everything for your team.
I had the greatest respect for you Roy!!!
You also made friendship so easy, I loved the spontaneous phone calls and messages. You reached out just yesterday “How are you champ” … “All good Mr Symonds … How things with you”
Well all isn’t good anymore I will miss you and I’m devastated.
You were a champion bloke and the cricket world will miss you. We have lost another great human being.
Condolences to Andrew’s family and friends.
#riproy #❤️ #💔

Here’s another fun fact someone pointed out to me.

James Anderson made his test debut 10 months before his new coach did.

@Catogrande said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

@Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

@Catogrande said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

@1kiwi said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

Black Caps' selection process not a concern for NZ Cricket boss after whitewash by England

That read like any press release from the E&WCB over the last few years. Problems? What problems?

NZC arguably has a recent history of doing even the right thing the wrong way. E.g. Hesson and McCullum were the right calls and probably set up the last eight years or so, yet the captaincy situation with Ross Taylor still managed to be handled abysmally by the powers-that be at the time...

I think part of the idea of appointing McCullum was to imitate that “reset” that NZ cricket seemed to have. It was certainly mentioned a fair bit anyway. Has that worked? Well the early indications would say yes, but it is very early days. Too soon to start dusting off the trophy cabinet that’s for sure.

Absolutely.

England haven’t turned a massive corner, they still have a VERY creaky top order and two absolutely ancient spearheads…..BUT they’ve had some pretty good performances, their world class batsman has fired when ours didn’t and Bairstow has played out of his skin aka Johns son…..difference being he had enough support to get his team to victory.

@booboo said in Black Caps vs Netherlands:

Henry on a hat trick...

Still got three balls left in the over and wanders off to fine leg ...

@voodoo said in RIP Warney:

@shark he probably didn't spend 30 hours per week fucking about on the Fern....

As I say, he skimped on the 9 to 5 job. 🙂

And one of those reminders that, for every howler by an Umpire, there seems to be even more by the players... 🙂

@nzzp said in 2022 Women's Cricket World Cup in New Zealand:

@nzbloke said in 2022 Women's Cricket World Cup in New Zealand:

Fielding with more urgency, need to attack the ball in the field.

I'll settle for improving the catch rate for simple catches. Hard catches are hard - but you can practice and improve the simple ones. And it relaly makes a difference in cricket; creating 10-11 chances vs creating 13-14 chances

Players tend to drop some really easy catches because they take them for granted, they need to focus just as much on a lolly catch as a difficult one... reckon if it's a lolly catch or a difficult one in slips or a diving catch in the outfield it's always so important to let the ball come to you using soft hands, it's when a player pushes their hands forward towards the ball there's a good chance they'll drop it.

It's good that batsmen have to face Jamieson's awkward bounce & he swings it, also has a good slower ball... but to add to his bowling armoury would like to see him bowl around the wicket when needed & use the width of the bowling crease too, Southee does that brilliantly.

@Dan54 said in Black Clash:

Must admit I watched little bits of it, but I would hardly watch it for the cricket, it's all just about having a laugh isn't it? You got Aussie cricket coach and rugby player playing for Cricket team, a few cricketers in rugby team. It's really about putting Richie McCaw, Kieran Read, Dagg and maybe Jordie Barrett out thgere in front of people and everyone else seemed to be just filling in the spaces?

I think Dagg ate his own lunch and Kieran Reads too. He was about twice as wide. Read is a terrific cricketer though. I really wonder how good he could have been if he’d stuck at it. Second good score in a row against some really good bowlers ( still amazed how well he did against Bond last year )

Kyle Mills needs to look in the mirror and reassess his hairstyle.

The Honey Badger is a pretty shit cricketer. Funny bloke though.

It’d be a shame if the kids in the audience remembered D Vettori for his golden duck, hopefully their folks fill them in on what an absolute champion he was.

@rotated Santner himself on Newshub last night.

Story and interview below.

Jan 19, 2022  /  Sport Blackcaps v Australia: One-day specialists focus on domestic 'Super Smash' rivalries, after tour postponement | Newshub Blackcaps v Australia: One-day specialists focus on domestic 'Super Smash' rivalries, after tour postponement | Newshub

The limited-overs tour of Australia has been delayed by ongoing COVID-19 border restrictions.

@kiwimurph yeah, has a tude that needs adjustment.

@nta totally agree mate. I spent a bit of time playing with and against Molly Strano and Sophie Molyneux about 4 years ago and they were skilful then, but the improvements have been astronomical. Great chicks too!

(apologies for the name drop but those girls were way cool and molly played the most technically perfect reverse sweep I've ever seen)

Auckland win the Plunket Shield after a win over Wellington inside 3 days.

Covid in the ND camp means their game with CD was declared a draw with no play on day 4.

Sarah Waris  /  Nov 27, 2021 Mark Butcher: Michael Vaughan Can Be A ‘Piers Morgan-Lite Twitter Personality’ But He Is ‘Not A Racist’ Mark Butcher: Michael Vaughan Can Be A ‘Piers Morgan-Lite Twitter Personality’ But He Is ‘Not A Racist’

Former England batter Mark Butcher, speaking on the Wisden Cricket Weekly Podcast, explained how, in his view, Michael Vaughan is “not a racist”.

If you can’t be bothered reading it the gist is exactly what I suspected. Vaughan can be a bit of a cock but he’s not racist.

@shark said in NZ tour of India:

@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:

that's a throwback Black Caps result. Embarrassingly flogged with only our spinner showing some backbone...

Look winning in India has always been really fucking hard, and even more so now. But after that fucking pasting the opportunities not taken in the first test look even worse.

Yep. Where are all the fucking retards who were happy to play for a draw in the first test because we were more of a chance in the second?

what would our chance look like if we batted first though? Probably not rolled for 62

Daryl Mitchell humbled at winning Spirit of Cricket award for sporting gesture

Welp there has already been repercussions

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/women-in-sport/126442208/security-tightened-around-white-ferns-in-england-after-notcredible-threat

@donsteppa said in White Ferns in England:

A 203 run loss to finish the tour with, glad I didn't stay up late for that one! In some ways the tour finished not much better than we started out - we're still reliant on a small number of key players to do the majority of the work, and if they don't fire...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/women-in-sport/300416458/suzie-bates-sophie-devine-disappoint-in-white-ferns-player-ratings-for-england-tour

So basically exactly how the Black Caps used to be then ?