Chess
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@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
Fuck Chess.
it's brutal and uncompromising. Also, great fun of course
But yeah, way to feel dumbI can beat my boys pretty regularly, but ( as they found out on holiday ) I can get distracted easily and lose the odd game. We had a few games when it pissed with rain and someone would offer me a beer, snack, ask me a question or whatever and I was fucked by the next move purely cos I lost focus for a few seconds.
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
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@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
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@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
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@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
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@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
As I mentioned earlier I have a good chess app on the phone. Easy is too easy, but medium is too hard. The level between is one where I usually win.....but overall I’m just not getting better. I probably need to take more time with my moves
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@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
As I mentioned earlier I have a good chess app on the phone. Easy is too easy, but medium is too hard. The level between is one where I usually win.....but overall I’m just not getting better. I probably need to take more time with my moves
This guy (John Bartholomew) is really good at explaining chess in simple terms. have watched a bunch of them with NZZP Jr and they make a lot of sense. Have a look!
John Bartholomew
Chess Master, Entrepreneur, YouTuber, ex Chessable Co-Founder. Now building Chessiverse! Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery. Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery.
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@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
As I mentioned earlier I have a good chess app on the phone. Easy is too easy, but medium is too hard. The level between is one where I usually win.....but overall I’m just not getting better. I probably need to take more time with my moves
This guy (John Bartholomew) is really good at explaining chess in simple terms. have watched a bunch of them with NZZP Jr and they make a lot of sense. Have a look!
John Bartholomew
Chess Master, Entrepreneur, YouTuber, ex Chessable Co-Founder. Now building Chessiverse! Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery. Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery.
Will do. My tactic ( online ) is to get a pawn to the other side and ending up with two queens if possible. I don’t think this ploy works too well against decent players
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@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
As I mentioned earlier I have a good chess app on the phone. Easy is too easy, but medium is too hard. The level between is one where I usually win.....but overall I’m just not getting better. I probably need to take more time with my moves
This guy (John Bartholomew) is really good at explaining chess in simple terms. have watched a bunch of them with NZZP Jr and they make a lot of sense. Have a look!
John Bartholomew
Chess Master, Entrepreneur, YouTuber, ex Chessable Co-Founder. Now building Chessiverse! Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery. Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery.
Will do. My tactic ( online ) is to get a pawn to the other side and ending up with two queens if possible. I don’t think this ploy works too well against decent players
You may be on to something there
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@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
As I mentioned earlier I have a good chess app on the phone. Easy is too easy, but medium is too hard. The level between is one where I usually win.....but overall I’m just not getting better. I probably need to take more time with my moves
This guy (John Bartholomew) is really good at explaining chess in simple terms. have watched a bunch of them with NZZP Jr and they make a lot of sense. Have a look!
John Bartholomew
Chess Master, Entrepreneur, YouTuber, ex Chessable Co-Founder. Now building Chessiverse! Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery. Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery.
Will do. My tactic ( online ) is to get a pawn to the other side and ending up with two queens if possible. I don’t think this ploy works too well against decent players
You may be on to something there
I ended up with three queens once, not surprisingly I won that game pretty easily
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Most strong players can successfully play multiple games simultaneously against much weaker players - my personal record is 30 against a school chess club I was due to start coaching (I won all 30). At that level, it mostly just comes down to calculating moves better than the opposition, which is partly pattern recognition, and partly tactical ability.
Blindfold chess is harder, especially simultaneously, but I can play one game without sight of the board. One of my coaching tricks for a class is to teach them how to checkmate a lone King with just a King and Rook, and after showing and explaining the technique, playing it for the class with my back to the demonstration board (with one of them playing the moves on the board so the class can see).
Personal bragging aside, online chess was always big (I've played online on and off since 1998), but tended to be separate from in person play, but some recent big name Twitch streamers and the lockdown have combined to largely remove that separation now (world champion Magnus Carlsen did a lot to set up major online tournaments with the top players to really legitimise online play). During the first lockdown, NZ Chess Federation set up a Lichess.org group (Lichess is one of the main online options) and has organised weekly tournaments since, and it has been eye-opening for a lot of older players as it showed that they could play online and enjoy it, while also encouraging younger players to join a club after we got back to level 1. Add in the Queen's Gambit, and chess is booming even in New Zealand.
Most larger clubs either have lessons or social chess for newer players, so if anyone just wants to play a few games with real people, that might be an option - www.newzealandchess.co.nz is the NZ Chess Federation website, and the clubs section should have the contact details of local clubs (or just Google them, or post here and I can look them up).
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@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
Most strong players can successfully play multiple games simultaneously against much weaker players - my personal record is 30 against a school chess club I was due to start coaching (I won all 30).
That is the beauty about ignorance!! I have no idea how hard that would be but I am super impressed!!
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@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
Most strong players can successfully play multiple games simultaneously against much weaker players - my personal record is 30 against a school chess club I was due to start coaching (I won all 30). At that level, it mostly just comes down to calculating moves better than the opposition, which is partly pattern recognition, and partly tactical ability.
Regardless of level, that sounds very impressive. I used to play at primary school and intermediate, I'm pretty sure I was concentrating more on what I wanted to do than what the opponent was doing
Add in the Queen's Gambit, and chess is booming even in New Zealand.
I bet many are disappointed when they find that chess doesn't involve the widespread partaking of tranquillisers and alcohol
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@canefan said in World Chess Championship:
@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
Most strong players can successfully play multiple games simultaneously against much weaker players - my personal record is 30 against a school chess club I was due to start coaching (I won all 30). At that level, it mostly just comes down to calculating moves better than the opposition, which is partly pattern recognition, and partly tactical ability.
Regardless of level, that sounds very impressive. I used to play at primary school and intermediate, I'm pretty sure I was concentrating more on what I wanted to do than what the opponent was doing
Add in the Queen's Gambit, and chess is booming even in New Zealand.
I bet many are disappointed when they find that chess doesn't involve the widespread partaking of tranquillisers and alcohol
Alcohol is pretty popular even in chess, although probably not to the extent of Beth - young adults can be very heavy drinkers when they go away for a tournament. The broken genius is a bit of a cliché but it definitely applies to some players.
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@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
Most strong players can successfully play multiple games simultaneously against much weaker players - my personal record is 30 against a school chess club I was due to start coaching (I won all 30). At that level, it mostly just comes down to calculating moves better than the opposition, which is partly pattern recognition, and partly tactical ability.
Blindfold chess is harder, especially simultaneously, but I can play one game without sight of the board. One of my coaching tricks for a class is to teach them how to checkmate a lone King with just a King and Rook, and after showing and explaining the technique, playing it for the class with my back to the demonstration board (with one of them playing the moves on the board so the class can see).
Personal bragging aside, online chess was always big (I've played online on and off since 1998), but tended to be separate from in person play, but some recent big name Twitch streamers and the lockdown have combined to largely remove that separation now (world champion Magnus Carlsen did a lot to set up major online tournaments with the top players to really legitimise online play). During the first lockdown, NZ Chess Federation set up a Lichess.org group (Lichess is one of the main online options) and has organised weekly tournaments since, and it has been eye-opening for a lot of older players as it showed that they could play online and enjoy it, while also encouraging younger players to join a club after we got back to level 1. Add in the Queen's Gambit, and chess is booming even in New Zealand.
Most larger clubs either have lessons or social chess for newer players, so if anyone just wants to play a few games with real people, that might be an option - www.newzealandchess.co.nz is the NZ Chess Federation website, and the clubs section should have the contact details of local clubs (or just Google them, or post here and I can look them up).
Holy shit that is amazing !
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@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
As I mentioned earlier I have a good chess app on the phone. Easy is too easy, but medium is too hard. The level between is one where I usually win.....but overall I’m just not getting better. I probably need to take more time with my moves
This guy (John Bartholomew) is really good at explaining chess in simple terms. have watched a bunch of them with NZZP Jr and they make a lot of sense. Have a look!
John Bartholomew
Chess Master, Entrepreneur, YouTuber, ex Chessable Co-Founder. Now building Chessiverse! Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery. Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery.
Will do. My tactic ( online ) is to get a pawn to the other side and ending up with two queens if possible. I don’t think this ploy works too well against decent players
Can confirm, still works at the top level, although they'll usually resign rather than play to checkmate.
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@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
@canefan said in World Chess Championship:
@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
Most strong players can successfully play multiple games simultaneously against much weaker players - my personal record is 30 against a school chess club I was due to start coaching (I won all 30). At that level, it mostly just comes down to calculating moves better than the opposition, which is partly pattern recognition, and partly tactical ability.
Regardless of level, that sounds very impressive. I used to play at primary school and intermediate, I'm pretty sure I was concentrating more on what I wanted to do than what the opponent was doing
Add in the Queen's Gambit, and chess is booming even in New Zealand.
I bet many are disappointed when they find that chess doesn't involve the widespread partaking of tranquillisers and alcohol
Alcohol is pretty popular even in chess, although probably not to the extent of Beth - young adults can be very heavy drinkers when they go away for a tournament. The broken genius is a bit of a cliché but it definitely applies to some players.
I imagine the ability to apply super focus would be a great skill. I can't solve a rubiks cube so I don't have a chance
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@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
As I mentioned earlier I have a good chess app on the phone. Easy is too easy, but medium is too hard. The level between is one where I usually win.....but overall I’m just not getting better. I probably need to take more time with my moves
This guy (John Bartholomew) is really good at explaining chess in simple terms. have watched a bunch of them with NZZP Jr and they make a lot of sense. Have a look!
John Bartholomew
Chess Master, Entrepreneur, YouTuber, ex Chessable Co-Founder. Now building Chessiverse! Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery. Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery.
Will do. My tactic ( online ) is to get a pawn to the other side and ending up with two queens if possible. I don’t think this ploy works too well against decent players
Can confirm, still works at the top level, although they'll usually resign rather than play to checkmate.
Interesting. I would have thought any top level player could see this coming a mile off.
Is it true that a game is declared a draw if a player ( for example has a rook and a Bishop left ) can’t checkmate a lone king in a certain amount of moves?
I played regularly years ago with a flat mate who beat me every single time ( except for one lone glorious victory when he was quite drunk and stoned ). He told me this was the case ?
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@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
@nzzp said in World Chess Championship:
@MN5 said in World Chess Championship:
How those grandmasters play multiple games at once is absolutely beyond my pea brain.
They just look at patterns and 'know' the next move. Same way your tragic rugby brain sizes up a paddock and knows whether the carrier should kick to space, pass or take contact. It's instinct.
That, and they are very very good at it.
Also, we are in a golden age with chess information and tutorials online, and chess computers of any lebel you like to upskill with.
Not sure that's an entirely accurate analogy. Plenty of dumbarses play Rugby, not sure I'd describe a top chess player like that. On the spectrum definitely, but not dumb.
eh, I was reaching with the analogy, but the point is that most of the games the masters are playing are on instinct and patter. They'll only be thinking about a few of them in any detail.
The blindfold simultaneous chess blows my mind though. That is absolutely nuts
As I mentioned earlier I have a good chess app on the phone. Easy is too easy, but medium is too hard. The level between is one where I usually win.....but overall I’m just not getting better. I probably need to take more time with my moves
This guy (John Bartholomew) is really good at explaining chess in simple terms. have watched a bunch of them with NZZP Jr and they make a lot of sense. Have a look!
John Bartholomew
Chess Master, Entrepreneur, YouTuber, ex Chessable Co-Founder. Now building Chessiverse! Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery. Only through our inevitable blunders shall we pave the road to mastery.
Will do. My tactic ( online ) is to get a pawn to the other side and ending up with two queens if possible. I don’t think this ploy works too well against decent players
Can confirm, still works at the top level, although they'll usually resign rather than play to checkmate.
Interesting. I would have thought any top level player could see this coming a mile off.
They usually can, but that doesn't mean they can stop it if it comes with other threats at the same time.
Is it true that a game is declared a draw if a player ( for example has a rook and a Bishop left ) can’t checkmate a lone king in a certain amount of moves?
I played regularly years ago with a flat mate who beat me every single time ( except for one lone glorious victory when he was quite drunk and stoned ). He told me this was the case ?
A player can claim a draw if 50 moves have been played by each player with no pawn moves or captures. In tournaments, this is normally proven by scoresheets (players have to write the moves down during the game), and in online games, the server will enforce it. This rule is often misunderstood as to the qualifying moves or positions, so lone Kings and the like are common misconceptions, but the 50 move rule is what the Laws of Chess actually say.
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@Godder said in World Chess Championship:
The broken genius is a bit of a cliché but it definitely applies to some players.
This is an excellent book for anyone with even a passing interest in chess - or in sport, for that matter.
Bobby Fischer Goes to War: How A Lone American Star Defeated the Soviet Chess Machine: Edmonds, David, Eidinow, John: 9780060510251: Amazon.com: Books