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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
My bet is that there has been no significant upscaling in capacity because otherwise it would have been promoted as a big success story at the election. The way the government patted itself on the back for getting 12 families housed even a couple of ICU additional beds would surely have got a press conference of its own.
If it was a significant upscale in capacity, we'd have probably got a public holiday.
so, if this upscale hasn't happened, the question arises, is NZ any better prepared for the next thing? Or is the entire strategy being we'll just deal with this one, the next will be someone elses problem?
My sarcasm aside, I suspect some it was buying time for better and more effective medical treatments to be identified too, as well as ICU capacity. Some of the graphs I saw out of the UK over December/January showed a much higher rate of infection than March/April, but lower rates of hospitalisation and mortality. I'm now sure how much of that was treatment related, vs 'luck' in the demographics infected.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
My bet is that there has been no significant upscaling in capacity because otherwise it would have been promoted as a big success story at the election. The way the government patted itself on the back for getting 12 families housed even a couple of ICU additional beds would surely have got a press conference of its own.
If it was a significant upscale in capacity, we'd have probably got a public holiday.
so, if this upscale hasn't happened, the question arises, is NZ any better prepared for the next thing? Or is the entire strategy being we'll just deal with this one, the next will be someone elses problem?
In Auckland, take the examples of Spaghetti Junction, our lack of mass transit network (despite the idea being proposed by Dove Myer Robinson back in the 50s) and the removing the harbour bridge toll years ago and now facing a bridge that is reaching the end of its life. I suspect we don't do forward planning. 10 years from now we will be just as vulnerable to the next virus
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Yet we wouldn't say 'he's only 21, he's stupid, he doesn't know what he's doing' about drink driving? Our system could be better, but goddamn that person has to cop a fair bit of responsibility for this.
Here's a test case to see exactly what punishment he gets.
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When Covid first appeared 12 months ago NZ's ICU capacity was 173. By April this increased to 330 and by July 552. I'm not sure what has happened since.
Similarly withy respirators. Don't know current numbers but I do know from a RNZ The Detail podcast that we purchased (medical term) a shitload last year. We also developed a methodology for having one ventilator support multiple patients
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Yet we wouldn't say 'he's only 21, he's stupid, he doesn't know what he's doing' about drink driving? Our system could be better, but goddamn that person has to cop a fair bit of responsibility for this.
Here's a test case to see exactly what punishment he gets.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
When Covid first appeared 12 months ago NZ's ICU capacity was 173. By April this increased to 330 and by July 552. I'm not sure what has happened since.
Similarly withy respirators. Don't know current numbers but I do know from a RNZ The Detail podcast that we purchased (medical term) a shitload last year. We also developed a methodology for having one ventilator support multiple patients
So we have increased capacity. We have tried to make some improvements to tighten MIQ. The experience of the last 2 weeks shows there is a soft underbelly once the virus manages to infiltrate the border defences
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat One thing I can't understand is the whole country not going to L3. As you point out there are alot of people heading out when it's announced.
It's not like there is a wall/moat preventing people from leaving.
We are a small country and don't restrict people's movement so surely a nationwide lockdown is the safest option to prevent community transmission.
As others have mentioned, we appear to rely on luck to stop the spread.
The whole dividing the country is really poor administration in terms of the boundaries anyway.
Where is AKL? Lazy bureaucrats have just used the Stupid City as borders and it will drive our local restaurants and cafes broke where I am. We are closer to Whangarei than South Auckland and as far as I am aware none of the cases drove north, but they are all shut down.If we still had regional councils some our businesses might survive.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Yet we wouldn't say 'he's only 21, he's stupid, he doesn't know what he's doing' about drink driving? Our system could be better, but goddamn that person has to cop a fair bit of responsibility for this.
Here's a test case to see exactly what punishment he gets.
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He gets the bagel? Seems harsh.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So they have found where this person got it, someone in the earlier family didn't disclose a close contact and this close contact was the gym guy.
honestly, no system can handle people lying to it and ignoring protocols.
I was thinking about this, and how much culpability the 21 year old should carry.
Well if he gets cuts any slack because of his age then I hope that will put paid to any more calls for 16 year olds to get the vote.
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@jc he needs to face some repercussions, although if we start punishing peoples for being a fuckstick...but for me it's the person that lied about contact with him that should be the focus of peoples ire!
If they hadnt lied, then he would have been told they had to isolate, rather than suggested, plus it would not have been an unknown case on Saturday, meaning they probably didnt need to raise alert levels.
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@taniwharugby Yeah, I probably agree with that. The 21 year old was a gumboot for sure and needs to be taken aside and told he needs to make better decisions where other people could be impacted. But if the other person straight-out lied we need to learn from that. If the authorities know this person lied and still do nothing, expect the majority of people to decide for themselves when the truth actually needs to be told.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
No new community cases today. Its way early but at least we aren't seeing the kind of run of cases that will see us stuck in L3 for more than a week
just hope you are like Perth. Their last lockdown was on the back of 1 case (who happened to be an Uber driver) and they had zero community transmission cases.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
No new community cases today. Its way early but at least we aren't seeing the kind of run of cases that will see us stuck in L3 for more than a week
just hope you are like Perth. Their last lockdown was on the back of 1 case (who happened to be an Uber driver) and they had zero community transmission cases.
Hope is all we have right now
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@mariner4life I think it passed the point of no further cases, but hopefully things have been caught soon enough to see there are only a handful more cases, and ideally already in siolation
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
No new community cases today. Its way early but at least we aren't seeing the kind of run of cases that will see us stuck in L3 for more than a week
just hope you are like Perth. Their last lockdown was on the back of 1 case (who happened to be an Uber driver) and they had zero community transmission cases.
Hope is all we have right now
bleak man
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
No new community cases today. Its way early but at least we aren't seeing the kind of run of cases that will see us stuck in L3 for more than a week
just hope you are like Perth. Their last lockdown was on the back of 1 case (who happened to be an Uber driver) and they had zero community transmission cases.
Hope is all we have right now
bleak man
Not trying to sound overly dramatic. But i don't think the authorities have any other plan other than test as many as possible and hope the spread is low
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
No new community cases today. Its way early but at least we aren't seeing the kind of run of cases that will see us stuck in L3 for more than a week
just hope you are like Perth. Their last lockdown was on the back of 1 case (who happened to be an Uber driver) and they had zero community transmission cases.
Hope is all we have right now
bleak man
Not trying to sound overly dramatic. But i don't think the authorities have any other plan other than test as many as possible and hope the spread is low
to be honest, what else can they do?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
No new community cases today. Its way early but at least we aren't seeing the kind of run of cases that will see us stuck in L3 for more than a week
just hope you are like Perth. Their last lockdown was on the back of 1 case (who happened to be an Uber driver) and they had zero community transmission cases.
Hope is all we have right now
bleak man
Not trying to sound overly dramatic. But i don't think the authorities have any other plan other than test as many as possible and hope the spread is low
to be honest, what else can they do?
Not a lot. If the horse has bolted its up to the horse now
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
No new community cases today. Its way early but at least we aren't seeing the kind of run of cases that will see us stuck in L3 for more than a week
just hope you are like Perth. Their last lockdown was on the back of 1 case (who happened to be an Uber driver) and they had zero community transmission cases.
Hope is all we have right now
bleak man
Not trying to sound overly dramatic. But i don't think the authorities have any other plan other than test as many as possible and hope the spread is low
to be honest, what else can they do?
as discussed above, build a more resilient community - mask wearing, social distancing, bombarding people with meaningful ad campaigns about testing, mask wearing, social separation ...
Coronavirus - New Zealand