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  • CrucialC Offline
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    @stargazer It's also the aspect that the women always get told 'not enough money' then something new is added to the mens game.
    Sad thing is that one of them is going to speak out soon and probably lose what's left of their career.

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    @crucial said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @stargazer It's also the aspect that the women always get told 'not enough money' then something new is added to the mens game.
    Sad thing is that one of them is going to speak out soon and probably lose what's left of their career.

    Or they could be thankful that the men's game is subsidising theirs...

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    @antipodean You could say the same of the Under 20s ...

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    @crucial said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    I like the pathway aspect but would say that the Black Ferns players will see this as another avenue for NZR to sink money into the men’s game while putting SFA effort into the women.
    I know it’s more complicated than that but the visuals are that they are putting no effort into finding an avenue for the women to even play let alone develop strength yet are happy to add even more opportunities for the mens.
    I d be fuming at this if I was a black fern.

    When women players get the crowds and sponsorship for their team. Then the rest will fall into place

    the U20s are only being supported of course as these players are the future for men's rugby

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    @stargazer said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @antipodean You could say the same of the Under 20s ...

    A completely different situation

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    @stargazer said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @antipodean You could say the same of the Under 20s ...

    How? The men's game was amateur for over a century and is currently bankrolled by the highest representative team. To remain successful requires highly competitive base. It's an investment in itself for the betterment of the entire New Zealand rugby community.

    If the Black Ferns were in a position to spend some of their largesse on developing female pathways I'd make the same argument. But they're not and with limited resources NZR need to determine their best use.

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    I'm not going into this argument again. This thread is not about women's rugby. We won't agree anyway.

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    @winger said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @crucial said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    I like the pathway aspect but would say that the Black Ferns players will see this as another avenue for NZR to sink money into the men’s game while putting SFA effort into the women.
    I know it’s more complicated than that but the visuals are that they are putting no effort into finding an avenue for the women to even play let alone develop strength yet are happy to add even more opportunities for the mens.
    I d be fuming at this if I was a black fern.

    When women players get the crowds and sponsorship for their team. Then the rest will fall into place

    the U20s are only being supported of course as these players are the future for men's rugby

    Chicken and egg?

    I think you are missing the point though. I'm not dismissing this comp, I think it's a good idea. I'm just stating that I can imagine that the women's game will be pissed off that they get paid lip service too yet again. They were last in the queue for a comp last year, have had their RWC put in the too hard basket even when it was probably easier to arrange safely than SR and now had a new men's comp set up on top of the ones that already exist after being told there was no money in the kitty for new comps. Wouldn't you be pissed off?
    Short point is poor management of stakeholders of the game.

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  • HigginsH Offline
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    @crucial Would NZ Rugby get paid any less from the TV brigade than they current receive if they did not include Womens rugby in the package of matches able to be telecast live?

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    @crucial said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @winger said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @crucial said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    I like the pathway aspect but would say that the Black Ferns players will see this as another avenue for NZR to sink money into the men’s game while putting SFA effort into the women.
    I know it’s more complicated than that but the visuals are that they are putting no effort into finding an avenue for the women to even play let alone develop strength yet are happy to add even more opportunities for the mens.
    I d be fuming at this if I was a black fern.

    When women players get the crowds and sponsorship for their team. Then the rest will fall into place

    the U20s are only being supported of course as these players are the future for men's rugby

    Chicken and egg?

    I think you are missing the point though. I'm not dismissing this comp, I think it's a good idea. I'm just stating that I can imagine that the women's game will be pissed off that they get paid lip service too yet again. They were last in the queue for a comp last year, have had their RWC put in the too hard basket even when it was probably easier to arrange safely than SR and now had a new men's comp set up on top of the ones that already exist after being told there was no money in the kitty for new comps. Wouldn't you be pissed off?
    Short point is poor management of stakeholders of the game.

    Easier to arrange safely? An international world cup easier to arrange safely than an entirely domestic comp? What?

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    @kiwimurph said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @crucial said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @winger said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    @crucial said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    I like the pathway aspect but would say that the Black Ferns players will see this as another avenue for NZR to sink money into the men’s game while putting SFA effort into the women.
    I know it’s more complicated than that but the visuals are that they are putting no effort into finding an avenue for the women to even play let alone develop strength yet are happy to add even more opportunities for the mens.
    I d be fuming at this if I was a black fern.

    When women players get the crowds and sponsorship for their team. Then the rest will fall into place

    the U20s are only being supported of course as these players are the future for men's rugby

    Chicken and egg?

    I think you are missing the point though. I'm not dismissing this comp, I think it's a good idea. I'm just stating that I can imagine that the women's game will be pissed off that they get paid lip service too yet again. They were last in the queue for a comp last year, have had their RWC put in the too hard basket even when it was probably easier to arrange safely than SR and now had a new men's comp set up on top of the ones that already exist after being told there was no money in the kitty for new comps. Wouldn't you be pissed off?
    Short point is poor management of stakeholders of the game.

    Easier to arrange safely? An international world cup easier to arrange safely than an entirely domestic comp? What?

    I mean the trans-tasman part. It goes all over the country and all sorts of contingency planning would have gone into that.
    Anyway, my observation has caused a thread divergence. Maybe we should focus on the U20s?

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    @crucial the trans-tasman comp that looks odds-on to get canned? Ok.

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    Revitalised Under 20 programme kicks off with Super Rugby flavour

    The next big names in Super Rugby will go head-to-head across an action-packed week of rugby at the 2021 Super Rugby Aotearoa Under 20 tournament this April.

    • Super Rugby Aotearoa Under 20 tournament next month
    • Tabai Matson to coach New Zealand Under 20s

    The newly formed tournament will see Under 20 sides from the Blues, Chiefs, Hurricanes, Crusaders, Highlanders along with a New Zealand Barbarians Club Under 20 team take part in three match days at Taupō’s Owen Delany Park. All matches will be broadcast live on Sky on 11 April, 14 April and 17 April.

    Former Blues and Stormers Coach Paul Feeney will head the New Zealand Barbarian Club Under 20 coaching team, with players set to be selected from across the 26 Provincial Unions.

    The New Zealand Under 20 programme also gets a boost with the announcement of Tabai Matson as Head Coach. The former Crusaders and Chiefs Assistant Coach will be joined by Tom Donnelly and Cory Jane in the coaching team.

    A playing programme for the New Zealand Under 20 will be confirmed in coming months, with the hope that a Trans- Ta$man bubble will enable an Oceania Tournament later this year.

    The Jock Hobbs Memorial National Under 19 tournament will not take place in 2021, with provincial unions instead delivering regional Under 19 programmes.


    Super Rugby Aotearoa Under 20 Draw

    Sunday 11 April
    11.30am Hurricanes v Chiefs
    1.30pm Barbarians v Highlanders
    3.30pm Crusaders v Blues

    Wednesday 14 April
    11.30am Barbarians v Blues
    1.30pm Hurricanes v Highlanders
    3.30pm Crusaders v Chiefs

    Saturday 17 April
    11am Crusaders v Highlanders
    1pm Barbarians v Chiefs
    3pm Hurricanes v Blues

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    The draw seems to be random. I would have thought you split the 6 teams into 2 groups of 3 and those teams play each other with 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3 for the final games.

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    @bovidae Yes, that would have made more sense with 6 teams. They could also have left out the Barbarians team (the Hurricanes and Crusaders don't get the advantage of playing them, while they can be expected to be the weakest team) and let all 5 franchises play each other (without a pool system and without a final; just four games). It would have meant 1 more game, but why not?

    I guess this is less about having a normal tournament/competition and more about trial matches for NZ U20s.

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  • HigginsH Offline
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    @stargazer Cory Janes super rugby backline is hardly setting the world on fire and some of his selections are questionable to say the least. This is not a good omen for the Under 20s.

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    A completely new coaching team now, but NZR must think being a former AB is a prerequisite for being an U20 assistant coach.

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    @bovidae from what I have heard it gives you a good leg up at least.

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    @taniwharugby Philpott had Delany and Hill in his group, and now we have Donnelly and Jane. At least Donnelly has head coaching experience.

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    @stargazer said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:

    Super Rugby Aotearoa Under 20 Draw
    Sunday 11 April
    11.30am Hurricanes v Chiefs
    1.30pm Barbarians v Highlanders
    3.30pm Crusaders v Blues
    Wednesday 14 April
    11.30am Barbarians v Blues
    1.30pm Hurricanes v Highlanders
    3.30pm Crusaders v Chiefs
    Saturday 17 April
    11am Crusaders v Highlanders
    1pm Barbarians v Chiefs
    3pm Hurricanes v Blues

    Rugby Pass says that all three of these matchdays in Taupo will be broadcast live by Sky.

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