NZ Eligibility
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It does actually.
When they make the five year stand down from when they turn 18 we’ll see a slight reduction in the school poaching.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would zip represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
Self nicknames! Love it.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It does actually.
When they make the five year stand down from when they turn 18 we’ll see a slight reduction in the school poaching.
Hadn't really considered that - I guess we'll see a lot more PI's heading north too.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would zip represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
Self nicknames! Love it.
You didn’t know that was how Northern Koreans referred to themselves?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
I guess it differs from person to person then. I have several friends who moved to NZ as adults, have lived here for years, participate in and contribute to the community, work here and pay their taxes (and have so for years), own a house and have many ties here (more than most Kiwis I know who live outside NZ). At this stage of their life, they have no intention of ever moving back and only return, now and then, to visit family and friends. They're Kiwis in every way, only they have an accent and still have citizenship from their country of birth (which doesn't allow dual citizenship). Their legal status doesn't define their "Kiwi-ness". -
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
I guess it differs from person to person then. I have several friends who moved to NZ as adults, have lived here for years, participate in and contribute to the community, work here and pay their taxes (and have so for years), own a house and have many ties here (more than most Kiwis I know who live outside NZ). At this stage of their life, they have no intention of ever moving back and only return, now and then, to visit family and friends. They're Kiwis in every way, only they have an accent and still have citizenship from their country of birth (which doesn't allow dual citizenship). Their legal status doesn't define their "Kiwi-ness".It really does define it, as without citizenship you are not a kiwi. You might identify as one, but nope you aren't. My wife got citizenship as soon as she was able, too the day. She's a Cornish kiwi, but until you are an Un Zudder, your not a kiwi. You're just someone who lives here, a resident. She, and I, would give up our UK passport of we needed too. Cos we're kiwis
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
I guess it differs from person to person then. I have several friends who moved to NZ as adults, have lived here for years, participate in and contribute to the community, work here and pay their taxes (and have so for years), own a house and have many ties here (more than most Kiwis I know who live outside NZ). At this stage of their life, they have no intention of ever moving back and only return, now and then, to visit family and friends. They're Kiwis in every way, only they have an accent and still have citizenship from their country of birth (which doesn't allow dual citizenship). Their legal status doesn't define their "Kiwi-ness".It really does define it, as without citizenship you are not a kiwi. You might identify as one, but nope you aren't. My wife got citizenship as soon as she was able, too the day. She's a Cornish kiwi, but until you are an Un Zudder, your not a kiwi. You're just someone who lives here, a resident. She, and I, would give up our UK passport of we needed too. Cos we're kiwis
What an absolute load of shit. Being a citizen makes you a citizen. Being a “kiwi” is something completely different.
My family ties with NZ go back to 1841. Every generation since then was born, raised and died in NZ. Plenty of them
fought in wars for NZ. It just so happens that my parents decided to move to Australia for better work opportunities.
So I was born in Australia, but was always raised as a “kiwi”, my extended family was in NZ and it was always “home”.
But now you are telling me I wasn’t a kiwi until i had applied for my passport? What about my daughter?
She barely remembers the 2 years she lived in Australia before we moved to NZ. Kiwi grandparents on both sides. Is she not a kiwi until I fill out a form and give the government $300 for a travel document?
You obviously think you get to define who is a “kiwi” but you a wrong and it’s actually pretty fucking offensive. -
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
I guess it differs from person to person then. I have several friends who moved to NZ as adults, have lived here for years, participate in and contribute to the community, work here and pay their taxes (and have so for years), own a house and have many ties here (more than most Kiwis I know who live outside NZ). At this stage of their life, they have no intention of ever moving back and only return, now and then, to visit family and friends. They're Kiwis in every way, only they have an accent and still have citizenship from their country of birth (which doesn't allow dual citizenship). Their legal status doesn't define their "Kiwi-ness".Agree 100%
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@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
I guess it differs from person to person then. I have several friends who moved to NZ as adults, have lived here for years, participate in and contribute to the community, work here and pay their taxes (and have so for years), own a house and have many ties here (more than most Kiwis I know who live outside NZ). At this stage of their life, they have no intention of ever moving back and only return, now and then, to visit family and friends. They're Kiwis in every way, only they have an accent and still have citizenship from their country of birth (which doesn't allow dual citizenship). Their legal status doesn't define their "Kiwi-ness".It really does define it, as without citizenship you are not a kiwi. You might identify as one, but nope you aren't. My wife got citizenship as soon as she was able, too the day. She's a Cornish kiwi, but until you are an Un Zudder, your not a kiwi. You're just someone who lives here, a resident. She, and I, would give up our UK passport of we needed too. Cos we're kiwis
What an absolute load of shit. Being a citizen makes you a citizen. Being a “kiwi” is something completely different.
My family ties with NZ go back to 1841. Every generation since then was born, raised and died in NZ. Plenty of them
fought in wars for NZ. It just so happens that my parents decided to move to Australia for better work opportunities.
So I was born in Australia, but was always raised as a “kiwi”, my extended family was in NZ and it was always “home”.
But now you are telling me I wasn’t a kiwi until i had applied for my passport? What about my daughter?
She barely remembers the 2 years she lived in Australia before we moved to NZ. Kiwi grandparents on both sides. Is she not a kiwi until I fill out a form and give the government $300 for a travel document?
You obviously think you get to define who is a “kiwi” but you a wrong and it’s actually pretty fucking offensive.Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I was attempting to point out that people who keep their other citizenship rather than give it up to get NZ don't seem that kiwi to me.
Probably too deep a subject to be adequately discussed via text.
Once again, my apologies to you and your family.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
I guess it differs from person to person then. I have several friends who moved to NZ as adults, have lived here for years, participate in and contribute to the community, work here and pay their taxes (and have so for years), own a house and have many ties here (more than most Kiwis I know who live outside NZ). At this stage of their life, they have no intention of ever moving back and only return, now and then, to visit family and friends. They're Kiwis in every way, only they have an accent and still have citizenship from their country of birth (which doesn't allow dual citizenship). Their legal status doesn't define their "Kiwi-ness".It really does define it, as without citizenship you are not a kiwi. You might identify as one, but nope you aren't. My wife got citizenship as soon as she was able, too the day. She's a Cornish kiwi, but until you are an Un Zudder, your not a kiwi. You're just someone who lives here, a resident. She, and I, would give up our UK passport of we needed too. Cos we're kiwis
What an absolute load of shit. Being a citizen makes you a citizen. Being a “kiwi” is something completely different.
My family ties with NZ go back to 1841. Every generation since then was born, raised and died in NZ. Plenty of them
fought in wars for NZ. It just so happens that my parents decided to move to Australia for better work opportunities.
So I was born in Australia, but was always raised as a “kiwi”, my extended family was in NZ and it was always “home”.
But now you are telling me I wasn’t a kiwi until i had applied for my passport? What about my daughter?
She barely remembers the 2 years she lived in Australia before we moved to NZ. Kiwi grandparents on both sides. Is she not a kiwi until I fill out a form and give the government $300 for a travel document?
You obviously think you get to define who is a “kiwi” but you a wrong and it’s actually pretty fucking offensive.Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I was attempting to point out that people who keep their other citizenship rather than give it up to get NZ don't seem that kiwi to me.
Probably too deep a subject to be adequately discussed via text.
Once again, my apologies to you and your family.
All good. Clearly for me the citizenship part is fairly meaningless when in comes to defining “kiwiness”
(Which clearly has no single definition).
Especially when there are people with lots of money who can essentially buy their way in.
I still have Australian citizenship and don’t intend to give it up because it makes things like Australian banks accounts and medical care much easier if and when I might need them. I would never claim to be an “Aussie” though.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
I guess it differs from person to person then. I have several friends who moved to NZ as adults, have lived here for years, participate in and contribute to the community, work here and pay their taxes (and have so for years), own a house and have many ties here (more than most Kiwis I know who live outside NZ). At this stage of their life, they have no intention of ever moving back and only return, now and then, to visit family and friends. They're Kiwis in every way, only they have an accent and still have citizenship from their country of birth (which doesn't allow dual citizenship). Their legal status doesn't define their "Kiwi-ness".It really does define it, as without citizenship you are not a kiwi. You might identify as one, but nope you aren't. My wife got citizenship as soon as she was able, too the day. She's a Cornish kiwi, but until you are an Un Zudder, your not a kiwi. You're just someone who lives here, a resident. She, and I, would give up our UK passport of we needed too. Cos we're kiwis
What an absolute load of shit. Being a citizen makes you a citizen. Being a “kiwi” is something completely different.
My family ties with NZ go back to 1841. Every generation since then was born, raised and died in NZ. Plenty of them
fought in wars for NZ. It just so happens that my parents decided to move to Australia for better work opportunities.
So I was born in Australia, but was always raised as a “kiwi”, my extended family was in NZ and it was always “home”.
But now you are telling me I wasn’t a kiwi until i had applied for my passport? What about my daughter?
She barely remembers the 2 years she lived in Australia before we moved to NZ. Kiwi grandparents on both sides. Is she not a kiwi until I fill out a form and give the government $300 for a travel document?
You obviously think you get to define who is a “kiwi” but you a wrong and it’s actually pretty fucking offensive.Well you automatically got KIwi citizenship at birth through descent so unfortunately you’ve always been a kiwi even if it took you a while to get a passport
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 You can be a Kiwi without getting citizenship. I know plenty of people who've moved here years ago, and don't have a NZ passport. Doesn't mean they're not Kiwis.
It really does. I’ve lived almost half of my life in Japan but am not Japanese. Neither would I represent Japan unless I thought it a joke.
I guess it differs from person to person then. I have several friends who moved to NZ as adults, have lived here for years, participate in and contribute to the community, work here and pay their taxes (and have so for years), own a house and have many ties here (more than most Kiwis I know who live outside NZ). At this stage of their life, they have no intention of ever moving back and only return, now and then, to visit family and friends. They're Kiwis in every way, only they have an accent and still have citizenship from their country of birth (which doesn't allow dual citizenship). Their legal status doesn't define their "Kiwi-ness".It really does define it, as without citizenship you are not a kiwi. You might identify as one, but nope you aren't. My wife got citizenship as soon as she was able, too the day. She's a Cornish kiwi, but until you are an Un Zudder, your not a kiwi. You're just someone who lives here, a resident. She, and I, would give up our UK passport of we needed too. Cos we're kiwis
What an absolute load of shit. Being a citizen makes you a citizen. Being a “kiwi” is something completely different.
My family ties with NZ go back to 1841. Every generation since then was born, raised and died in NZ. Plenty of them
fought in wars for NZ. It just so happens that my parents decided to move to Australia for better work opportunities.
So I was born in Australia, but was always raised as a “kiwi”, my extended family was in NZ and it was always “home”.
But now you are telling me I wasn’t a kiwi until i had applied for my passport? What about my daughter?
She barely remembers the 2 years she lived in Australia before we moved to NZ. Kiwi grandparents on both sides. Is she not a kiwi until I fill out a form and give the government $300 for a travel document?
You obviously think you get to define who is a “kiwi” but you a wrong and it’s actually pretty fucking offensive.Well you automatically got KIwi citizenship at birth through descent so unfortunately you’ve always been a kiwi even if it took you a while to get a passport
Stop it, he's Aussie just like @mariner4life
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Ah can someone give me a quick prècis here? The thread seems to have turned in to a weird shitfight and I've been tagged
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Ah can someone give me a quick prècis here? The thread seems to have turned in to a weird shitfight and I've been tagged
Our team is full of poaches and you and @pukunui are both Aussies
