Rugby League World Cup
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@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Don't really like League but here's my five cents anyway. Given Covid cases are already going down in the UK more than three months before the League World Cup starts (after a rapid vaccine rollout) and the coaches and players were keen to go, this is a poor decision by the Aussie and NZ League authorities.
Don't know where you've got that from.
The number of reported COVID cases in the UK has been dropping for the last two days, quite significantly today when you compare it to last Friday's figure.
This might be a temporary blip of course and cases could rise again. But unless you are an expert in UK public health, perhaps best not to make sweeping statements. Three months is long time and a lot could change before then.
So because I'm not an expert in UK public health I should avoid making such statements ... and your qualifications are?
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Anyone confused by me saying the numbers in the UK are going up and Sparky's comment that they're going down: he's right that the last couple of days' numbers are down, but you don't have to be a public health expert to know that you can't read two much into one or two data points. Here's the 7 day average...
This spike started before "freedom day", so dropping all the restrictions (in England, it's a bit different in Scotland and Wales) is likely to increase it rather than turn it around. It's not good, but the high vaccination levels help a lot - levels of hospitalisation and death are not going up as much.
It is very hard to say what it'll look like in 3 months when the RLWC was meant to be. But we know that politically Bojo's very unlikely to consider another lockdown or many restrictions. Safe to say that it'll be a bit different to NZ.
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@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Having said that, I don't reckon the danger from covid is the reason they've withdrawn. The problem of players living in perpetual bubbles might be. Or it might just be down to a power / money play from the NRL, don't know.
That's one of the main problems. The NRL is struggling to keep their competition alive with all teams relocating to Qld so it has already been a disruptive season. Add in the 2 weeks quarantine on return to Aust and NZ, so more time away from families.
I actually hope that the tournament goes ahead as an "up yours" to the ARLC.
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This is what I have read:
Furious World Cup officials will meet with representatives of the remaining 12 nations this weekend, as they weigh up what to do following Thursday's withdrawal. It's understood postponing until next year is the least likely option on the table, behind going ahead without Meninga and Maguire's teams or cancelling it altogether.
The UK Govt has committed money to hold the tournament this year so there is a concern they could lose that funding.
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@gibbonrib They would have to get past the might of the Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Canary Islands and Lichtenstein in pool play before encountering someone like Georgia in the quarters and PNG in the semis before they can even think about taking on the Mate Ma'a in the final.
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@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
It's not about safety. About 2 weeks ago their rumours about Australia pulling out because quarantine etc wouldn't leave enough time for proper break + proper nrl pre-season.
That was quashed by organizers. But a few weeks later they pull out for safety reasons.
Its obviously a bullshit reason, bullshit as in not the truth.
SH rugby league is effectively controlled by NRL, who are a club controlled body, not that interested in success of international league or the world cup. The ARL died in the super league war. The ARLC is a compromise replacement.
So, decision is really an NRL one, made easier by players being bubble fatigued. But its embarrassing to admit that club pre season trumps a world cup in their priorities. So, "player safety" gets trotted out.
Not sure on NZRLs motives, but their player pool is most effected by 'away from home' fatigue.
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I think it just shows how much the players really give a shit about the league “world” cup. They’re not scared of Covid, just the pain in the arse of travel, bubbles, inconvenience etc etc. I’m willing to bet they’d do it for Origin or the NRL finals, but for this? Not so much.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
I think it just shows how much the players really give a shit about the league “world” cup. They’re not scared of Covid, just the pain in the arse of travel, bubbles, inconvenience etc etc. I’m willing to bet they’d do it for Origin or the NRL finals, but for this? Not so much.
I reckon this is bang on. The international game is the peak for rugby; for league it's a sideshow.
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A very good statement IMHO from the RLPA. Players should be allowed to make informed decisions about their own participation in the forthcoming RLWC. Let the players be the judges of her much representing their nations in the tournament means to them and the trade-offs in terms of possible rewards, risks and inconvenience at doing so in a country that almost certainly won't be Covid-free.
RLPA RLWC Statement - RLPA
The Rugby League Players’ Association (RLPA) have released the following statement regarding the 2021 Rugby League World Cup. “The news overnight that Australia and New Zealand will not compete in the 2021 World Cup is no doubt disappointing for players who were hoping to represent their Nations in...
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@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
A very good statement IMHO from the RLPA. Players should be allowed to make informed decisions about their own participation in the forthcoming RLWC. Let the players be the judges of her much representing their nations in the tournament means to them and the trade-offs in terms of possible rewards, risks and inconvenience at doing so in a country that almost certainly won't be Covid-free.
RLPA RLWC Statement - RLPA
The Rugby League Players’ Association (RLPA) have released the following statement regarding the 2021 Rugby League World Cup. “The news overnight that Australia and New Zealand will not compete in the 2021 World Cup is no doubt disappointing for players who were hoping to represent their Nations in...
Totally agree. Although saying the UK almost certainly won't be covid-free is like saying I almost certainly won't be the All Blacks captain at the next FIFA world cup.
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@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@bovidae So it could actually happen? England might actually have a chance of winning a world cup?
I will laugh like a drain if they end up losing to Tonga
I reckon there's a slim chance of Tonga going, and if they do most of their NRL stars wont be there.
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@gibbonrib One for another thread perhaps. But I doubt given vaccination rates and antibody rates (see below) that the UK will be anything like the worse COVID effected country in the world by November. Yes, Covid will be present here but it will be a managed risk.
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@nepia said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@bovidae So it could actually happen? England might actually have a chance of winning a world cup?
I will laugh like a drain if they end up losing to Tonga
I reckon there's a slim chance of Tonga going, and if they do most of their NRL stars wont be there.
i know of a few island players who were hesitant to even go into NRL isolation last year, if they were going to be forced into vaccination. If this reason was cited from some NZ players this year, I suspect Tonga and Samoa will face similar problems as well
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@bayimports said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@nepia said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@bovidae So it could actually happen? England might actually have a chance of winning a world cup?
I will laugh like a drain if they end up losing to Tonga
I reckon there's a slim chance of Tonga going, and if they do most of their NRL stars wont be there.
i know of a few island players who were hesitant to even go into NRL isolation last year, if they were going to be forced into vaccination. If this reason was cited from some NZ players this year, I suspect Tonga and Samoa will face similar problems as well
Hestinacy to be vaccinated is emerging as the real reason for Oz + NZ officials pulling their sides out of the RFL Rugby World Cup.
I must know thousands of people who have been vaccinated in the UK, only know one person who has had lingering headaches. Everyone else fine within a couple of days. My advice to anyone is get your Covid vaccines as soon as you are offered.
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@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@bayimports said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@nepia said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@bovidae So it could actually happen? England might actually have a chance of winning a world cup?
I will laugh like a drain if they end up losing to Tonga
I reckon there's a slim chance of Tonga going, and if they do most of their NRL stars wont be there.
i know of a few island players who were hesitant to even go into NRL isolation last year, if they were going to be forced into vaccination. If this reason was cited from some NZ players this year, I suspect Tonga and Samoa will face similar problems as well
Hestinacy to be vaccinated is emerging as the real reason for Oz + NZ officials pulling their sides out of the RFL Rugby World Cup.
I must know thousands of people who have been vaccinated in the UK, only know one person who has had lingering headaches. Everyone else fine within a couple of days. My advice to anyone is get your Covid vaccines as soon as you are offered.
I hope this isn't found in NZ rugby as well, I'm running out of teams to support.
Although that article seems to suggest that anti vax wasn't the main concern but more general safety concerns.
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Don't know if this interview is available where you are. The NZ League boss cites at 3.50 potential vaccine hestinancy.
Be interesting to know in detail which safety requests he feels the RFL have not addressed.
Key point that I am yet to see answered is that Black Caps can come the UK for the inaugural Test Championship but not the Kiwis for the League World Cup. I could understand a blanket ban on NZ teams visiting the UK for sporting championships during Covid, but this pick and mix approach will damage NZ's reputation.
'Hesitant to be vaccinated': New reason behind NZ's World Cup withdrawal
