Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@billy-tell bet it wont be fun then if someone you know gets sick from this outbreak, or worse...that isnt a nice place to be for you and I'm sorry to hear, so you should probably have worded things better.
as I said, saying it would be fun to watch is pretty dumb, watching with interest would have been a more normal comment.
This virus has far reaching consequences, I know someone in the UK who died from it, I know someone who died form not being able to get medical treatment due to covid in the UK.
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell yea fun as watching nz in lockdown...what a dumb comment
Not as fun as not getting home for my dads 70th. Or my cousins funeral. FFS as a kiwi citizen I’m cut off from my own country. I’m fully vaccinated but to come home, to my country, I’d have to go on a waiting list, to spend 2 weeks in a hotel. And not sure I can bring the wife, coz she’s not a nz citizen. How long does is this expected to go on for? So yeah I would find it ironic that after shutting nz off to its citizens the virus ends up taking hold anyway.
That is a terrible predicament for you mate, and I hope it improves soon. But you know this makes your chances even more remote don't you? I wouldn't wish this shit on anyone
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell yea fun as watching nz in lockdown...what a dumb comment
Not as fun as not getting home for my dads 70th. Or my cousins funeral. FFS as a kiwi citizen I’m cut off from my own country. I’m fully vaccinated but to come home, to my country, I’d have to go on a waiting list, to spend 2 weeks in a hotel. And not sure I can bring the wife, coz she’s not a nz citizen. How long does is this expected to go on for? So yeah I would find it ironic that after shutting nz off to its citizens the virus ends up taking hold anyway.
Do you not read the news mate? They laid out the plan for next year a few days ago.
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@reprobate said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell yea fun as watching nz in lockdown...what a dumb comment
Not as fun as not getting home for my dads 70th. Or my cousins funeral. FFS as a kiwi citizen I’m cut off from my own country. I’m fully vaccinated but to come home, to my country, I’d have to go on a waiting list, to spend 2 weeks in a hotel. And not sure I can bring the wife, coz she’s not a nz citizen. How long does is this expected to go on for? So yeah I would find it ironic that after shutting nz off to its citizens the virus ends up taking hold anyway.
Do you not read the news mate? They laid out the plan for next year a few days ago.
If people like you had your way, then there'd be plenty of people whose dad's 70th would be dad's funeral instead.To be fair, many people have been pointing out how much luck is playing a part in our strategy (eg not vaccinating the border workers or MIQ when they said they would).
I'm not surprised people are reacting negatively when many of the responses from those in charge has been border line smug. Nothing worng with expecting better.
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@reprobate said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell yea fun as watching nz in lockdown...what a dumb comment
Not as fun as not getting home for my dads 70th. Or my cousins funeral. FFS as a kiwi citizen I’m cut off from my own country. I’m fully vaccinated but to come home, to my country, I’d have to go on a waiting list, to spend 2 weeks in a hotel. And not sure I can bring the wife, coz she’s not a nz citizen. How long does is this expected to go on for? So yeah I would find it ironic that after shutting nz off to its citizens the virus ends up taking hold anyway.
Do you not read the news mate? They laid out the plan for next year a few days ago.
If people like you had your way, then there'd be plenty of people whose dad's 70th would be dad's funeral instead.Those plans change all the time. Did you see a nationwide lockdown coming 2 days ago? I’m all for protecting the country but I’m also for science. If I’m vaccinated and I have a negative PCR test on arrival, then surely 48 hours is enough of a quarantine. If you’re emigrating back to NZ 2 weeks is nothing. But if you want to visit, then 2 weeks is a long time.
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Did you see a nationwide lockdown coming 2 days ago?
nope, but I have been waiting for it for weeks, been talking about how I hate living under the fear of lockdown, and here it is.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan the smug would be a small minority TBF...sadly we all saw this coming.
Some of that minority would be in the media..... The general consensus from people I know is that we have been riding our luck for some time, and that our successes have been as much about good luck as anything. The most recent warning sign was the news about the vax state of port workers. There is no excuse for anyone working in a border situation to not be vaccinated and tested by now. Now it is up to the compliance of the people to shut this thing down.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Now it is up to the compliance of the people to shut this thing down.
which is equally as concerning given the amount of morons that walk among us
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NZs vaccine strategy for a highly contagious virus has a problem. That most if not all countries have. The not insignificant part of the population that refuse to be vaccinated. Generally healthy people aged 20 to 65 who think they have nothing to fear and feel that the altruistic good of herd immunity does not trump their personal freedoms.
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
NZs vaccine strategy for a highly contagious virus has a problem. That most if not all countries have. The not insignificant part of the population that refuse to be vaccinated. Generally healthy people aged 20 to 65 who think they have nothing to fear and feel that the altruistic good of herd immunity does not trump their personal freedoms.
You can only save those who want to be saved
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
NZs vaccine strategy for a highly contagious virus has a problem. That most if not all countries have. The not insignificant part of the population that refuse to be vaccinated. Generally healthy people aged 20 to 65 who think they have nothing to fear and feel that the altruistic good of herd immunity does not trump their personal freedoms.
You can only save those who want to be saved
But at the price of shutting down NZ to itself and the world? Is NZ just planning to string together a series of level 4 lockdowns over the next couple of years each time a case is confirmed? How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
NZs vaccine strategy for a highly contagious virus has a problem. That most if not all countries have. The not insignificant part of the population that refuse to be vaccinated. Generally healthy people aged 20 to 65 who think they have nothing to fear and feel that the altruistic good of herd immunity does not trump their personal freedoms.
You can only save those who want to be saved
But at the price of shutting down NZ to itself and the world? Is NZ just planning to string together a series of level 4 lockdowns over the next couple of years each time a case is confirmed? How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
Our medical system couldn't even deal with spikes in normal Winter illness, let alone a full blown covid19 outbreak, that is why we lockdown and enforce MIQ. As we all know, no one seems to want to force people to have the vaccine (believe me, I'm all for enforcing it). What we need is to vaccinate every person that wants to be vaccinated as soon as possible.
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
I'd say we see how this one pans out to answer that question, especially when it gets extended.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
I'd say we see how this one pans out to answer that question, especially when it gets extended.
There have been no reports of people storming the streets in protest. Yet
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
I'd say we see how this one pans out to answer that question, especially when it gets extended.
I think there'll be less tolerance for the government than a year ago. We've seen multiple border issues that were preventable or looked reallly dodgy from the outside. The longer we delayed the vaccination programme, the higher the risk that something got over the border.
What I'm still struggling with is how contagious this bastard it. 3-5 seconds across a hallway gets you the virus, but living with or travelling with someone doesn't? I can't easily reconcile those outcomes.
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
NZs vaccine strategy for a highly contagious virus has a problem. That most if not all countries have. The not insignificant part of the population that refuse to be vaccinated. Generally healthy people aged 20 to 65 who think they have nothing to fear and feel that the altruistic good of herd immunity does not trump their personal freedoms.
You can only save those who want to be saved
But at the price of shutting down NZ to itself and the world? Is NZ just planning to string together a series of level 4 lockdowns over the next couple of years each time a case is confirmed? How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
That wasn't my take of the plan (such as it was) last week, it seems to be a plan of 'buy enough time to get everyone vaccinated who wants to be, and then you take your chances'. Unfortunately "front of the queue" (Chris Hipkins) for vaccines turned out to be one of the slowest in the OECD, but another 2-4 months and it looks like we're there.
If there's any sort of silver lining out of this Level 4, maybe it will give the vaccine hesitant/slack a bit of a nudge.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
NZs vaccine strategy for a highly contagious virus has a problem. That most if not all countries have. The not insignificant part of the population that refuse to be vaccinated. Generally healthy people aged 20 to 65 who think they have nothing to fear and feel that the altruistic good of herd immunity does not trump their personal freedoms.
You can only save those who want to be saved
But at the price of shutting down NZ to itself and the world? Is NZ just planning to string together a series of level 4 lockdowns over the next couple of years each time a case is confirmed? How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
That wasn't my take of the plan (such as it was) last week, it seems to be a plan of 'buy enough time to get everyone vaccinated who wants to be, and then you take your chances'. Unfortunately "front of the queue" (Chris Hipkins) for vaccines turned out to be one of the slowest in the OECD, but another 2-4 months and it looks like we're there.
If there's any sort of silver lining out of this Level 4, maybe it will give the vaccine hesitant/slack a bit of a nudge.
But one everyone’s vaccinated who wants to be…then the govt has to accept that opening up the country means those that aren’t vaccinated risk getting infected. Will jacinda accept that??
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
NZs vaccine strategy for a highly contagious virus has a problem. That most if not all countries have. The not insignificant part of the population that refuse to be vaccinated. Generally healthy people aged 20 to 65 who think they have nothing to fear and feel that the altruistic good of herd immunity does not trump their personal freedoms.
You can only save those who want to be saved
But at the price of shutting down NZ to itself and the world? Is NZ just planning to string together a series of level 4 lockdowns over the next couple of years each time a case is confirmed? How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
That wasn't my take of the plan (such as it was) last week, it seems to be a plan of 'buy enough time to get everyone vaccinated who wants to be, and then you take your chances'. Unfortunately "front of the queue" (Chris Hipkins) for vaccines turned out to be one of the slowest in the OECD, but another 2-4 months and it looks like we're there.
If there's any sort of silver lining out of this Level 4, maybe it will give the vaccine hesitant/slack a bit of a nudge.
But one everyone’s vaccinated who wants to be…then the govt has to accept that opening up the country means those that aren’t vaccinated risk getting infected. Will jacinda accept that??
She said a week or so ago that opening up in 2022 was the plan
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I'm annoyed because I could get my jab tomorrow but now I can't. I like the idea of "driveby" jabbing. I usually have my arm out the window of the ute so I just have to cruise past the local medical centre like it was a Maccas. Job / jab done.
They are actually talking about doing that after the 48 hour hiatus.