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@dogmeat It was glib, sorry. I should have simply said that’s when the violence starts. It’s just as likely to be started by some guy in a car who is sick and tired of having waited for hours in a queue of thousands of cars only to be asked by some worthy for his pass and gets triggered by it. Someone will lose their shit on one side or the other, we both know it.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan exactly what Shane Jones said in response to fears amongst Hone's community that covid would cause untold damage. So many people looking past the simplest course of action
I spent a decent amount of time in Northland on holidays (went to school there too). If they are going to set up Iwi roadblocks to check COVID passports, I’ll spend my money elsewhere.
Fuck Labour for making this sort of shit legal.
They have to be supervised by a constable (legal term for police officer), which was legal anyway as constables can request assistance from civilians under current legislation (and have always been able to).
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2020/0012/latest/LMS344196.html is the relevant section of the legislation.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2020/0012/288.0/LMS344196.html is the previous version prior to the amendment referred to in HDPA's article.
The addition of the power to stop vehicles under the supervision of a constable also includes members of the armed forces and community patrollers, and they are all authorised by the Commissioner of Police rather than the Director-General of Health as previously (enforcement officers for this law are authorised by the DG). These seem useful to me both as clarification and as providing for supervision remaining with the police.
Also, if the police wanted to include these groups or others in assisting them without this change, they could temporarily employ or second them to the police as police employees (so don't even need to make them constables specifically) while having the original employer (for secondees) continuing to pay the wages.
As adults living in NZ, we still have the powers of citizen's arrest, to assist police to arrest people, and to bring private prosecutions. These concepts date back to Anglo-Saxon times and are not recent additions although they have been moderated over time by the introduction of police forces. Police currently welcome volunteers as here - it is traditional policing to work with and alongside communities.
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Two checkpoints to run 24/7 with @ 75 police staff assigned to the task.
It appears the Police will be stopping/directing the traffic and the Tai Tokerau border control staff will assist with checking the appropriate documentation.
It also appears that they will not be stopping every vehicle if traffic is heavy (and it will be).If that is actually the way they will operate then that may partially sooth some concerns re enforceability/legality.
IMHO it's a large waste of time and resources if you are not checking everyone or any of the multitude of yachts and launches sailing up out of Auckland. -
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
the racial divide widening because of Covid
The grievance industry seizes whatever opportunity arises. Next year it could be grouse shooting, or McDonalds food wrappers polluting the pristine sacred lands.
I have been most entertained by this campaign victory, watching one side expecting to have it's way and getting it, and the other prancing about pretending that is not the case.
I would have thought New Zealand had more pressing priorities, such as post disaster recovery and basic economic survival.
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@pepe The iwi is saying they’ve been told by the police that all cars will be stopped.
It’s pretty interesting having googled the guy who is representing them on this, Reuben Taipari. He likes a protest doesn’t he?
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@jc said in NZ Politics:
@pepe The iwi is saying they’ve been told by the police that all cars will be stopped.
It’s pretty interesting having googled the guy who is representing them on this, Reuben Taipari. He likes a protest doesn’t he?
30 minutes? Stopping the traffic flow entirely during a busy period like the holidays? I think they are dreaming.
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@jc said in NZ Politics:
@pepe The iwi is saying they’ve been told by the police that all cars will be stopped.
It’s pretty interesting having googled the guy who is representing them on this, Reuben Taipari. He likes a protest doesn’t he?
In that interview he didn't actually say that Police had told him all vehicles would be stopped (and they won't for obvious reasons), but it was his wish to do so.
What Mr Taipari wants to implement and what actually happens I suspect will be quite different.
When I head North I will probably use the back roads to dodge the checkpoints and congestion anyway (quite easily done). -
@pepe said in NZ Politics:
When I head North I will probably use the back roads to dodge the checkpoints and congestion anyway (quite easily done).
just checked - if you tackle the wild back roads, you can slide around Uretiti. Not suitable for big vehicles I suspect! Depends on congestion and timing I suspect - we're planning to travel early Sunday morning when traffic should be really light
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@pepe said in NZ Politics:
When I head North I will probably use the back roads to dodge the checkpoints and congestion anyway (quite easily done).
just checked - if you tackle the wild back roads, you can slide around Uretiti. Not suitable for big vehicles I suspect! Depends on congestion and timing I suspect - we're planning to travel early Sunday morning when traffic should be really light
On the subject of driving North, I always wondered about turning off SH1 at Maungatapere onto SH to take me to Kaikohe. Does anyone know how good SH15 is?
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@nzzp I imagine they mean they'll have the checkpoint at the turnoff on SH1 rather than in Maungaturoto itself, so you could avoid that by sliding through Mangawhai and Waipu. But then to avoid Uretiti you'd have to go west and if you've got kids in the car you won't be wanting to go down Ormiston Rd or Caves Rd or you'll never get the vomit smell out of the car.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan that road is perfectly fine.
Is quite a scenic drive, although you will pass some areas where you are sure the HIlls have eyes and houses look (but arent) unoccupied.
Went up to Kaikohe for a tangi a year ago. I didn't use SH15 but I was tempted. Might try it the next time I go to Paihia
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan is a nice Cafe/Bar about 30 mins along Mangakahia Road, The Old Parakao Store, decent food, great outlook, some of the hills beyond there look very Jurassic Parkish
Does it take much longer to Paihia compared to SH1?
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@jc said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp I imagine they mean they'll have the checkpoint at the turnoff on SH1 rather than in Maungaturoto itself, so you could avoid that by sliding through Mangawhai and Waipu. But then to avoid Uretiti you'd have to go west and if you've got kids in the car you won't be wanting to go down Ormiston Rd or Caves Rd or you'll never get the vomit smell out of the car.
It's unlikely that they will want two checkpoints on SH1.
They will probably have the SH12 checkpoint between the Maungaturoto Dairy factory and SH1 turnoff (maybe at the old truck weigh station on the flats).
If you wanted to avoid this take Mountain Rd on the left north of Kaiwaka (@ 8km on gravel).
The SH1 Uretiti checkpoint can be easily avoided by turning left on to Rosyth Rd about 2km north of Waipu, left on to Mountford and right on to Doctors Hill Rd (@ 7kms all on seal). -
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yeah I reckon it would take a decent chunk longer (maybe an hour) as part of the journey will be just driving west before heading north and then obviously need to go back east to Paihia.
Would have been perfect driving to Kaikohe. Probably not as ideal to Paihia
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