Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Ok, I don't want to kick off any more shitfights, but I was actually pretty disappointed with this episode.
I'm actually interested in seeing the Boba story play out and this was an ok version of Mando. I didn't mind the spaceship building scenes, but the long exposition between the Mandolorians and the discussion about how they were the only three Mandolorians which culminated in two of them attempting to kill each other I found hard watching.
I look forward to Mando being part of the Boba story next week, but this was just a Mando story that I personally didn't need as I don't mind the Boba show and we're in the middle of the Boba season.
I read a theory on why they had to put that ep in among BoBF.
Apparently there is usually a clue in the scripts when they are going to delve into pre-disney material and bring something forward.
The armourer mentioned 'legends' when talking about the prophecy 'the mythosaur' rising with the darksaber and explaining how it changes line if won through battle.The Mythosaur itself is apparently extinct but it is the symbol the armourer uses and, most of all, the symbol on Boba's armour.
Is Boba going to rise and take the mantle of Manda'lor? He did in the ;legends comics.
Apparently in the SW legends material the last 'true' holder of the darksaber. Tor Vizla was the last holder of his line but he was beaten by Jango Fett in combat making Jango the true holder (or rather his unaltered clone Boba).The other thing to note is the connection between the armourer and Maul. Note the horns on her helmet.
Anyway, Does Mando realise that Boba has rights to the darksaber because he picks it up and uses it in a fight with no problems?
Could be, and if so does that lead to a series for Bo Katan?
Edit: also just realised that Boba makes a big deal about wanting to ride the Rancor (symbolising the Mythosaur?)
If you think that because Mace Windu killed Jango he should be the owner remember that Jango didn't have the darksaber with him in that fight PLUS Boba is a full unaltered clone so not all of Jango is dead.
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@crucial would that not mean mace windu is now the true holder having beaten Jango?
Boba hasn't wielded it yet has he?
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial would that not mean mace windu is now the true holder having beaten Jango?
Boba hasn't wielded it yet has he?
Mace is dead
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@mn5 ....is he?
so the emperor? i cant go back to the child of a holder just because a holder dies
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial would that not mean mace windu is now the true holder having beaten Jango?
Boba hasn't wielded it yet has he?
Answered above in edit
You need to win it by defeating the holder that is using it.
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 ....is he?
so the emperor? i cant go back to the child of a holder just because a holder dies
I do hear what youāre saying but Iām sure we would have heard from him if he were alive in any shape or form.
( although he āonlyā got his hand cut off, electrocuted and fell a great distanceā¦..other characters have survived worse than that )
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@crucial claiming jango and boba are the same because he's an unaltered clone has to be a stretch
also, we're mixing non canon legends and canon, we know who had the darksaber after jango died, Clans recognised Bo Katan as holder after Jango had died, whether he had it or not in canon she was the holder until losing it to moff gideon so how
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Here's the theory in full if you want to try and follow it.
Key line at the end is that the Darksaber knows who it's true owner is and as far as this theory goes that person is Jango/Boba.
Jango being the last person to fight against the saber and win. -
@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial claiming jango and boba are the same because he's an altered clone has to be a stretch
also, we're mixing non canon legends and canon, we know who had the darksaber after jango died, Clans recognised Bo Katan as holder after Jango had died, whether he had it or not in canon she was the holder until losing it to moff gideon so how
All explained. Neither Maul or Bo Katan were true holders. Bo Katan was given the sober by Sabine Wren.
I don't think the unaltered clone angle is a stretch at all. Same DNA.
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@crucial didn't maul win it in combat?
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial didn't maul win it in combat?
Off someone who was no longer the true owner. As the guy says, the darksaber knows where it belongs.
I suspect he is right and Boba will pick it up and wield it.
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@crucial but is it anywhere in canon that Jango owned it? how did pre vizla get it ? are we saying the Vizla's had it, jango won it in battle at some point, then left it in his room or something and pre vizla just went and stole it back after he died?
wookipedia explains this is the canon
"In the days of the Old Republic, the Darksaber was created by Tarre Vizsla, the first Mandalorian ever inducted into the Jedi Order. After his passing it was kept at the Jedi Temple.[2] However, during the Old Republic's fall, it was taken by Mandalorians of House Vizsla, who raided the Jedi Temple.[3] Descendants of House Vizsla used it to kill many Jedi[2] and rule all of Mandalore for many years.[3]"
"By the time of the Clone Wars, the Darksaber had come into the possession of Pre Vizsla, Governor of Concordia and leader of Death Watch. Vizsla kept it on his back when he wore his armor.[2]"
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial but is it anywhere in canon that Jango owned it? how did pre vizla get it ?
wookipedia explains this is the canon
"In the days of the Old Republic, the Darksaber was created by Tarre Vizsla, the first Mandalorian ever inducted into the Jedi Order. After his passing it was kept at the Jedi Temple.[2] However, during the Old Republic's fall, it was taken by Mandalorians of House Vizsla, who raided the Jedi Temple.[3] Descendants of House Vizsla used it to kill many Jedi[2] and rule all of Mandalore for many years.[3]"
"By the time of the Clone Wars, the Darksaber had come into the possession of Pre Vizsla, Governor of Concordia and leader of Death Watch. Vizsla kept it on his back when he wore his armor.[2]"
Yes and the theory is that the show runners are going to 'legends' material that expands on this further where Jango beats Vizsla but doesn't claim the saber.
Therefore the saber believes Fett is its true owner. Since that defeat it hasn't been a good thing to have by any of the holders (although Gideon seemed to use it OK even if he was beaten) -
@crucial oh, won it and didn;t take it, i guess that makes some sense....i hope not though, seems unnecessary to A) make the dark saber history even more complicated and effectively negate alot of history that Filoni had created and B ) boba doesn't need it, both he and Mando are a bit OP as Bounty hunters let alone of they have a light saber
edit: Thinking about it more, everyone in universe thinks mando is the true holder, even Bo Katan who thinks its hers and was on a crusade to reclaim it obviously conceded mando was the holder, we going to get a scene where boba shows his receipt? he's never mentioned it before so will be really jarring if Mado rocks up and Boba sees it and is like "that was my fathers!"...anyone thats only watched the movies will be like "i remember jango and he didn;t have a lightsaber....might not have dhad his head chopped off if he did", off my call so can watch that video now
edit 2: ok, i get it, explains why we got a mando episode...because it was actually a dark saber episode...i get it but i dont like something that complicated unless we're going to get a flashback to Jango? via Boba telling a story of how he won it? if its just the talking explaining the history i'll be disappointed and as i say, id rather Bo had it because at least she wants to rule and has shown any interest in Mandalore
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial oh, won it and didn;t take it, i guess that makes some sense....i hope not though, seems unnecessary to A) make the dark saber history even more complicated and effectively negate alot of history that Filoni had created and B ) boba doesn't need it, both he and Mando are a bit OP as Bounty hunters let alone of they have a light saber
Yeah the armour and gadgets certainly give them an advantage over most.
I always loved this fight, really gave us a taste of what they could do although has to be said Jango was rapidly running out of tricks while one on one with one of the most powerful Jedi ever.
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@kiwiwomble yeah, itās just a theory but I think it fits and would make sense of the point of BoBF that we havenāt been able to see.
Boba rises as a leader with the help of the darksaber which sets up future stories involving Bo Katan etc.
This universe created around Mando does need to tie together. Boba canāt be a bounty hunter as Mando has done that. If heās a crime boss only what other stories do we get? A crime boss/leader with a claim to establishing a new Mandalore and all the moving parts around that? Sounds ok. -
@crucial i guess i'd thought we'd get Mando and Bo competing for the sabre and to restore mandalore as they have both shown an interest in their own ways, Mando with his little group of mandalorians being very important to him, him hunting for more mandalorians is how he found the marshall and subsequently boba and Bo obviously having tried to rule previously and being on a quest to reclaim the dark sabre so she can try again
and BoBF as maybe one season just showing how he secured his position as a crime boss, which is more in line with the boba we know from clone wars, wanting to be the big bad guy, as i say, dont think i ever remember him even talking about Mandalore before
i feel that kind of works with them giving Mando that name..."The Mandalorian", so we wont see him bounty hunts any more, he'll be off on a proper quest leaving the antihero mandalorian seat open for Boba again
I guess we'll see, it will be clear by the end of this season im sure
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@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Ok, I don't want to kick off any more shitfights, but I was actually pretty disappointed with this episode.
I'm actually interested in seeing the Boba story play out and this was an ok version of Mando. I didn't mind the spaceship building scenes, but the long exposition between the Mandolorians and the discussion about how they were the only three Mandolorians which culminated in two of them attempting to kill each other I found hard watching.
I look forward to Mando being part of the Boba story next week, but this was just a Mando story that I personally didn't need as I don't mind the Boba show and we're in the middle of the Boba season.
It was really ep1 of S3 of the Mandalorian and probably required viewing if and when S3 comes out. Smart I guess from Disney in pretty much forcing that crossover.
One thing I found very meh was that he will be visiting his little mate with a Mando present. That goodbye scene was great and was a fitting end to that storyline. It was emotional because it appeared to be the final goodbye. But I guess Grogu + Mando = $.
