Future of The Rugby Championship
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so, if they really, truly, totally are breaking up with us this time
does that mean rugby is a summer sport now?
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@rotated said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
How does that work for the EOYT? If SA are effectively on a NH calendar and playing the 6N wouldn't that mean there is one less viable touring team and one more host demanding Tier 1 opponents?
unless they stay on the end of year tour away - and host in June
Edit: and play their comps between Nov and June, rather than June and Nov. Hell, it kinda lines up with what Super is now (played in that window)
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@nzzp said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
How does that work for the EOYT? If SA are effectively on a NH calendar and playing the 6N wouldn't that mean there is one less viable touring team and one more host demanding Tier 1 opponents?
unless they stay on the end of year tour away - and host in June
Would Australia, NZ or Argentina be willing to undertake an away tour in June? They would need to otherwise they would never play them.
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@rotated said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@nzzp said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
How does that work for the EOYT? If SA are effectively on a NH calendar and playing the 6N wouldn't that mean there is one less viable touring team and one more host demanding Tier 1 opponents?
unless they stay on the end of year tour away - and host in June
Would Australia, NZ or Argentina be willing to undertake an away tour in June? They would need to otherwise they would never play them.
good point - missed that completely.
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@bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I also read that the SANZAAR CEO has hinted at wanting to play the RC earlier in the year to align with the 6N. No way that works with the summer weather and no rugby being played at that time in the SH.
Really? No, cos Super rugby pre season starts same time as 6N - so perfectly able to play same dates. Not saying it is a good idea, but it is certainly possible
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@machpants said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I also read that the SANZAAR CEO has hinted at wanting to play the RC earlier in the year to align with the 6N. No way that works with the summer weather and no rugby being played at that time in the SH.
Really? No, cos Super rugby pre season starts same time as 6N - so perfectly able to play same dates. Not saying it is a good idea, but it is certainly possible
So that makes pre season for pre season even earlier...
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@mofitzy_ said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
We need a Pacific comp with Japan & US. Otherwise we are circling the drain and may as well jump ship to League.
Still think Boks to 6N is a bad and unpopular idea, but money talks louder.
im coming around to this idea....but we need more than that otherwise will just end up with an italy in the 6N, i think if we do that then we need a club comp underneath it to bring up the level of rugby in those countries
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@machpants said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I also read that the SANZAAR CEO has hinted at wanting to play the RC earlier in the year to align with the 6N. No way that works with the summer weather and no rugby being played at that time in the SH.
Really? No, cos Super rugby pre season starts same time as 6N - so perfectly able to play same dates. Not saying it is a good idea, but it is certainly possible
so, straight in to test rugby with the players getting almost no break, and then training as the stepping stone
Sounds ideal...
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@mofitzy_ said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
We need a Pacific comp with Japan & US. Otherwise we are circling the drain and may as well jump ship to League.
Still think Boks to 6N is a bad and unpopular idea, but money talks louder.
we will absolutely murder Japan and the US every single year for eternity (the idea that an annual beating improves a team is an absolute myth). And again, someone will have to play in summer.
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@taniwharugby I am not surprised.
See: all the reasons I have posed previously.
Frankly, the same issues apply wiht japan for us - summer games are a bit shite. Hemisphere weather is different.
A global calendar would align this, and revenue sharing would make it less important the comp you played in
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@mariner4life said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@mofitzy_ said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
We need a Pacific comp with Japan & US. Otherwise we are circling the drain and may as well jump ship to League.
Still think Boks to 6N is a bad and unpopular idea, but money talks louder.
we will absolutely murder Japan and the US every single year for eternity (the idea that an annual beating improves a team is an absolute myth). And again, someone will have to play in summer.
Absolutely right. The idea that more rugby=better rugby is a fallacy, certainly over a short time frame. Quality over quantity every time. What is needed is a decent structure to allow the lower tier nations to improve. And by the way, this is not simply magicked by revenue sharing. Get your fucking house in order before you expect a financial leg up. This also though requires meaningful input from the tier 1 nations. It’s a fucking sop to say “oh we’ve played xyz tier 3 nation at hone and bunged them a few quid”. Meaningful, regular games. Maybe tier 1 second teams v tier 2/3., but every say 2 years. The money is there for that if all the big boys commit.
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@catogrande all very true
But the major unions pay lip service only. It's all about dollars.
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agreed there needs to be a plan to bring the other nations up
quality over quantity definitely....BUT...also accept we cant have both, just playing SA and Aus 3-4 times a year (or the NZ super teams all just playing each other) will kill things just as quick. these hard games cause more injuries and less interest as its all groundhog day.
If we're sticking to the Quality argument then we should just have less super and international games and let the player play some NPC
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@kiwiwomble said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
agreed there needs to be a plan to bring the other nations up
quality over quantity definitely....BUT...also accept we cant have both, just playing SA and Aus 3-4 times a year (or the NZ super teams all just playing each other) will kill things just as quick. these hard games cause more injuries and less interest as its all groundhog day.
If we're sticking to the Quality argument then we should just have less super and international games and let the player play some NPC
SA isn’t going north, no one there wants a travel schedule to SA to ruin a great champs. Unless SA agree to play all their games somewhere in EU/UK, which could work.
Hopefully the new not Lions not Cup system will sort this out. Yes we’ll have shit travel Arg/SA/Jap/NZ/Oz/Fiji? But it won’t be same shit over and over again. Tho I guess we’ll still play the Ozzies twice.
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If SA played in the 6N, there would be no point the Lions touring there...
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@taniwharugby
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@taniwharugby said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
If SA played in the 6N, there would be no point the Lions touring there...
On the ground it feels like there is huge support for this from the RahRah media, little support for it from the actual clubs and mixed support from the fans.
