Hurricanes v Reds
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@Machpants lol this is a pretty funny discussion. Of course you would centre most of your game plan around your two best players.
I.e Carter and McCaw for the Crusaders in the past, Smith and Smith for the Highlanders in years gone by. This ain’t new.
Ardie’s been dominant all year so the Canes would be stupid not to get the ball into his hands.
It’s not like other players didn’t contribute though, the likes of TK Howden had a storming game, PUJ & Sullivan were solid in the midfield, Perenara played the best game he has in a while.
I think you have simplified it somewhat. Jordie and Ardie are getting their hands on the ball far more than I have seen from two players that are not wearing a 9 or 10 on their backs. It’s a good thing because they are quality but it does put a lot of pressure on them.
As for the Saders, McCaw we didn’t rely on so much, he was just very good and did what he did. DC yes, but he is running the cutter so you’d expect plenty of involvement. I would say we had periods when we “relied on” the likes of Casey Laulala and Nadolo to get us front foot ball so ran plenty of play through them.
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Finally got to fully watch the game, admittedly after Anzac morning refreshments. My points
- Both eights were by far the best players on the field. Canes will totally lose against any decent team without Ardie, and Wilson has improved and was nowhere near a card.
- Reds not fit enough, in fact that seems all the Ozzie teams
- Gibson really blew desperately needed bonus point try, WTF was he passing to?
- TJ an awesome SR player, but didn't need to be in black again.
- McReight Looks like peak fetcher McCaw circa 2010. Sadly the rules have been clarified since then, and he was a liability with not releasing.
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I feel like the Canes need one or two more leaders in their 15 to help take them from a good team to serious title contenders. They’ve shown glimpses of being a very good team but have often switched off in matches this year which has been costly.
Getting Dane Coles back into this side will be massive. Not only will our line-out improve but he probably picks this team up as much as Ardie does in the way he plays.
The ceiling for this side is fairly large due to a large proportion of the side being in their early 20s, so the fact we are already winning some big games is promising, even when it’s off the back of the likes of Ardie and Jordie at the moment.
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@Canes4life hopefully the boys stay together until we can get shot of Holland
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@Nepia Wish I did sleep through 2020. Yeah, valid point, they all have strengths and weaknesses. With Clarke, I want to see the hype, I really do......
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Hurricanes v Reds:
With Clarke, I want to see the hype, I really do......
I want to believe you, I really do......
However your judgment of wing play seems a bit off
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in AB left wing:
The comments on here about Bridge are ridiculous. He has scored tries for the ABs that young fellas like Clarke (a fern favourite) could only dream of at this stage.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I am in the pro-Bridge camp. You all create your own reality through cognitive dissonance. Offers a dam sight more than fern favourite Clarke would if he was in the ABs in his present form.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Pumas I:
Bridge played OK. He bumped off a couple of players, was fairly physical....if his last name was Clarke the Fern would be ecstatic about his performance.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Pumas I:
Are you taking the piss? Bridge has a far better nose for the scoreline than Clarke.
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Canes were fortunate that Reds completely imploded in 2nd half, not a good sign for the supposed top side in the AUS conference.
Canes achilles heel is 10. Morgan was actually OK without the control you'd hope. I'm surprised they didn't keep Jordie outside him. PUJ has been an AB but I wouldn't say he's an experienced hand. Who is the consistent 10 going forward? Is it Garden-Bachop, Love or Morgan? We saw how a lack of a consistently solid/good 10 hurt the Blues over the years.
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@TheMojoman I hope we stay with the PUJ Sullivan 12,13 in terms of 10s I’d rather they rotate between Love and Morgan.
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@mikey07 said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@TheMojoman I hope we stay with the PUJ Sullivan 12,13 in terms of 10s I’d rather they rotate between Love and Morgan.
Love is out injured so I don't know if Holland gives him the nod if healthy. Both are very green though
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@mikey07 said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@canefan At least they both have somewhat of a running game as opposed to JGB who doesn’t and besides the more gametime they get the less green they are.
TJP hand holds both. JGB is so limited, he played well off the bench against the Reds. But he has cement feet and can't set our backline alight
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Was bloody annoying that the ref pinged us heaps in in the first 15-20 minutes on 50/50 calls, so was hardly surprising the Reds went out to a pretty big lead in that period... at least after that the ref started to ping both sides.
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@NZbloke said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Was bloody annoying that the ref pinged us heaps in in the first 15-20 minutes on 50/50 calls, so was hardly surprising the Reds went out to a pretty big lead in that period... at least after that the ref started to ping both sides.
Yeah it was a dodgy first 15 by the refs, I mean how the hell did they miss that crooked throw by the Reds? One of the worst misses I’ve ever seen. What made it worse was that the Reds gained a penalty a few phases later which got them on the front foot.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Was bloody annoying that the ref pinged us heaps in in the first 15-20 minutes on 50/50 calls, so was hardly surprising the Reds went out to a pretty big lead in that period... at least after that the ref started to ping both sides.
Yeah it was a dodgy first 15 by the refs, I mean how the hell did they miss that crooked throw by the Reds? One of the worst misses I’ve ever seen. What made it worse was that the Reds gained a penalty a few phases later which got them on the front foot.
That's for sure, in the first quarter the ref let the Reds get away with a lot of stuff - gave them a huge advantage starving us of ball... from a penalty they could either have a crack at a 3pointer, or kick the ball out 40-50 metres downfield & then have the throw in to the lineout as well.
