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    @Frank Wasn't being serious. I think he needs more game time there to make a real case, but when he's played there, he plays a more complete game than either.

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    @Toddy you lack specifics. Blues forwards.were dominated at the line-out throughout the game. At scrum first half Blues scrum got the better of the Crusaders, se one half after the front row was replaced we got smashed.

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    haven't read anything in this thread, but needed to pop in to say well played Crusaders, exceptional team effort and that performance deserved a championship. Congratulations.

    Makes you wonder why the coach isn't involved in the ABs in some capacity.

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    @nzzp said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    haven't read anything in this thread, but needed to pop in to say well played Crusaders, exceptional team effort and that performance deserved a championship. Congratulations.

    Makes you wonder why the coach isn't involved in the ABs in some capacity.

    Respect to you also Sir for your Post.

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    @Bones said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Frank said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Dice said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    Perofeta > RM and BB 🙂

    You reckon? Based on what?
    What's his point of difference?

    Only thing I can really think of is when he's on song, his tactical kicking is easily superior - it's just that he tends to have a decent amount of time every game where he's not on song.

    His kicking was pop gun in the final.

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    @Frye said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Frank said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Dice said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    Perofeta > RM and BB 🙂

    You reckon? Based on what?
    What's his point of difference?

    Only thing I can really think of is when he's on song, his tactical kicking is easily superior - it's just that he tends to have a decent amount of time every game where he's not on song.

    His kicking was pop gun in the final.

    I'm used to Mitch Hunt, I'd say it was canon like.

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    @Toddy said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    Chiefs forwards dominated in the semi final and the Blues forwards were dominated in the final. RM and DH were average against the Chiefs in the semi final. Low and behold they looked liked world beaters against the Blues in the final.

    Maybe Robertsons master plan is for forward dominance and that way the backs (especially RM) can let rip.

    I thought Mo’unga played okay against the Chiefs. We lacked possession so he didn’t have too many opportunities to try a lot, but I thought that was a good thing and forced a more measured approach when we did have ball. Havili was caught out a bit and didn’t have his best game.

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    @Bones said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Frye said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Frank said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Dice said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    Perofeta > RM and BB 🙂

    You reckon? Based on what?
    What's his point of difference?

    Only thing I can really think of is when he's on song, his tactical kicking is easily superior - it's just that he tends to have a decent amount of time every game where he's not on song.

    His kicking was pop gun in the final.

    I'm used to Mitch Hunt, I'd say it was canon like.

    Stuff of legend?

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    @number9 said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Toddy you lack specifics. Blues forwards.were dominated at the line-out throughout the game. At scrum first half Blues scrum got the better of the Crusaders, se one half after the front row was replaced we got smashed.

    Getting over the gain line and the drive over the ball at ruck time to provide good ball for Bryn Hall was also noticeable by the Saders forwards.

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    replied to ACT Crusader on last edited by
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    @ACT-Crusader said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Toddy said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    Chiefs forwards dominated in the semi final and the Blues forwards were dominated in the final. RM and DH were average against the Chiefs in the semi final. Low and behold they looked liked world beaters against the Blues in the final.

    Maybe Robertsons master plan is for forward dominance and that way the backs (especially RM) can let rip.

    I thought Mo’unga played okay against the Chiefs. We lacked possession so he didn’t have too many opportunities to try a lot, but I thought that was a good thing and forced a more measured approach when we did have ball. Havili was caught out a bit and didn’t have his best game.

    Nah don’t cop that one about Havilli he defended brilliantly and shut down QT,
    He also kicked well.Go back and watch the game again.

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    @Chris said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @Toddy said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    Chiefs forwards dominated in the semi final and the Blues forwards were dominated in the final. RM and DH were average against the Chiefs in the semi final. Low and behold they looked liked world beaters against the Blues in the final.

    Maybe Robertsons master plan is for forward dominance and that way the backs (especially RM) can let rip.

    I thought Mo’unga played okay against the Chiefs. We lacked possession so he didn’t have too many opportunities to try a lot, but I thought that was a good thing and forced a more measured approach when we did have ball. Havili was caught out a bit and didn’t have his best game.

    Nah don’t cop that one about Havilli he defended brilliantly and shut down QT,
    He also kicked well.Go back and watch the game again.

    Defensively I thought he was great. It was more his attacking game that I was referring too. That’s what was being discussed.

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    @ACT-Crusader that's also true. For some.reason I thought the Blues tactics was to not commit too many forwards to the breakdown, could not understand why we did not compete like we did in the game in Christchurch where we dominated the Crusaders up front. Same b.s tactics that killed the ABs last year.

    If I have to one criticism of Leons coaching is inability to make tactical changes especially at half time. Blues always seem to come out of the sheds flat, or tactics just remain the same.

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    @number9 said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    @ACT-Crusader that's also true. For some.reason I thought the Blues tactics was to not commit too many forwards to the breakdown, could not understand why we did not compete like we did in the game in Christchurch where we dominated the Crusaders up front. Same b.s tactics that killed the ABs last year.

    If I have to one criticism of Leons coaching is inability to make tactical changes especially at half time. Blues always seem to come out of the sheds flat, or tactics just remain the same.

    Don't forget that a lot of this is new ground for Rangi as well. Learning how to manage a team in the week of a new game, how to counter coach the counter coaching etc.
    All through the finals his interviews came across as "I am happy we are still going" whereas the Saders coaching team had been plotting strategies and finding weaknesses for weeks.

    It's one of the things we won't know until we try but I do wonder if the Saders success doesn't translate up because they aren't in that familiar situation of being in a long comp where they trust they will reach finals and have lots of prep done for when they get there. Dropping matches along the way doesn't matter if it draws out info for the end game.
    Test rugby (well for the ABs anyway) doesn't work like that. Look at the pressure that comes on the coaches from poor performances or tactics let alone losses. They don't get to watch a season of the opposition playing the same teams as them and plotting for the end game. They get to take one stab at how they prepare and hope it is right.

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    At least one thing we learned about BB and RM in the last couple of weeks is they can both slot drop goals in pressure situations. May come in handy in coming weeks.

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    replied to Nevorian on last edited by
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    @Nevorian said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:

    At least one thing we learned about BB and RM in the last couple of weeks is they can both slot drop goals in pressure situations. May come in handy in coming weeks.

    Not if Beauden is shitting the bed getting out of his own half 😉

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