All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@broughie said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@TheMojoman at super rugby level but has not shown anything at international except against the minnows. I think @Bones was suggesting 1st five but he would have the same problem in Canterbury.
We are talking about DH at 10? Please no. He was barely adequate there for the Crusaders. DH's best position is 15 IMO.
Havili's best position at AB level is on the bench, so we can have a reserve halfback and stack the forward reserves.
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Harmon, Christie, Kirifi The players are there but we don't seem interested in that style of play.
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@reprobate My point is they are all genuine 7's if we want to change the way we play they are our best options, and if they are the best we have then I would rather we tried that, then picked 5 6's and filled the 3 loose forward roles with them.
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hahah hey Tom Christie was in a winning team. If they are the best then yeah we should pick from them. Enough with out of position players.
You can't tell me there isn't a better 6 in New Zealand then a lock that sometimes plays 6 and there isn't a better 7 then an out of form guy that doesn't get turnovers and plays more like a 6 then a 7 anyway.
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@reprobate I’m not implying or have been in the Pocock is useless camp. But he lurked for good parts of games looking for turnover ball. As the game changed and law interpretations along with it, those opportunities became less and less. So questions were raised, what else is he bringing?
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@mooshld said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Harmon, Christie, Kirifi The players are there but we don't seem interested in that style of play.
Christie and Kirifi get blown off the ball (and their feet) far too often in my view.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@mooshld said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Harmon, Christie, Kirifi The players are there but we don't seem interested in that style of play.
Christie and Kirifi get blown off the ball (and their feet) far too often in my view.
But they at least get on it. Even getting blown off the ball requires the other team to commit. We need balance in our back row not 3 6's thats my point.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@reprobate I’m not implying or have been in the Pocock is useless camp. But he lurked for good parts of games looking for turnover ball. As the game changed and law interpretations along with it, those opportunities became less and less. So questions were raised, what else is he bringing?
Pocock only had one trick but to be fair he was bloody good at it
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@mooshld said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
You can't tell me there isn't a better 6 in New Zealand then a lock that sometimes plays 6 and there isn't a better 7 then an out of form guy that doesn't get turnovers and plays more like a 6 then a 7 anyway.
And I wouldn't try to! I want to see DP given a fair crack (edit: at openside), rather than being a 6 in a trio of opensides, or a guy coming on to try and do something when we're getting absolutely smacked AND are defending a lineout on our tryline.
Ioane has done enough for me to want to see way more of him at 6.
Grace seems like the perfect 8 to work alongside those guys for mine, with the psycho form he's been showing.
I want to see Ardie kill it off the bench in whatever position they want to use him, preferably getting a 30 minute spell.
Blackadder looks to me like a 7 in the McCaw mould. Hammer and tongs into everything without a care for his health. Until he returns, Cane keeps his place.
Sotutu definitely deserves a shot after his SR form.
Papalii
Ioane
Sotutu
Grace
Savea
CanePlenty of cover for every position and plenty of guys in form. With the likes of Robinson, Sowakula, MMT, Delaney, Blackadder, Jacobson to provide plenty of competition.
We have enough guys that can play 7 to a really high level though, so we don't need more!
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@Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@mooshld said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
You can't tell me there isn't a better 6 in New Zealand then a lock that sometimes plays 6 and there isn't a better 7 then an out of form guy that doesn't get turnovers and plays more like a 6 then a 7 anyway.
And I wouldn't try to! I want to see DP given a fair crack, rather than being a 6 in a trio of opensides, or a guy coming on to try and do something when we're getting absolutely smacked AND are defending a lineout on our tryline.
Ioane has done enough for me to want to see way more of him at 6.
Grace seems like the perfect 8 to work alongside those guys for mine, with the psycho form he's been showing.
I want to see Ardie kill it off the bench in whatever position they want to use him, preferably getting a 30 minute spell.
Blackadder looks to me like a 7 in the McCaw mould. Hammer and tongs into everything without a care for his health. Until he returns, Cane keeps his place.
Sotutu definitely deserves a shot after his SR form.
Papalii
Ioane
Sotutu
Grace
Savea
CanePlenty of cover for every position and plenty of guys in form. With the likes of Robinson, Sowakula, MMT, Delaney, Blackadder, Jacobson to provide plenty of competition.
We have enough guys that can play 7 to a really high level though, so we don't need more!
One of the most well-reasoned posts on here.
We should pick the best 7, 6 & 8 and work out the captain from there. If there's a better 8 than Ardie, then look at him at 7 or off the bench.
I like Cane but he play has suffered and whether it's the spate of injuries or the captaincy, he isn't the player he was. Keep him in the 23 though, as his play may improve without the captaincy burden.
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@Victor-Meldrew I would say throw the captaincy to DP, but he really has to prove he's set in stone first. I'd be tempted to go with Scooter.
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This picking squads game is a bit irrelevant, don’t you think, when you have an incompetent coaching panel, a corrupt administration and a public that senses you are really just shifting the deck chairs? I know it’s a fun parlour game picking this bloke or that bloke for each position, but you can swap the chess pieces as much as you want without realising that the real issue is that you’re playing checkers with 4D chess masters. I wouldn’t bother.
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@MrDenmore said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
This picking squads game is a bit irrelevant, don’t you think, when you have an incompetent coaching panel, a corrupt administration and a public that senses you are really just shifting the deck chairs? I know it’s a fun parlour game picking this bloke or that bloke for each position, but you can swap the chess pieces as much as you want without realising that the real issue is that you’re playing checkers with 4D chess masters. I wouldn’t bother.
Yeah fuck it. So is posting mate. Shall we close it all down?
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@MrDenmore said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Bones Nope. Go for your lives. But it seems to be missing the point.
This isn't the only thread on the forum, I'm sure you realise it. This is a thread about the ABs squad. There's a gazillion fucking other threads discussing "the point". But sure, let's change this one to discussing Foster, the game plan and the fish heads.
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The role of the openside has changed as they aren't getting as many breakdown turnovers now, or any more frequently than any other player. What you want is to put pressure on the tackled player to slow recycling at the very least.
Tadhg Beirne was the most dominant forward over the ball in the 3rd test, and he was at lock.
