All Blacks vs Wales Test #2
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<p>"There is a lot happening with Jules and we are working away quietly."</p>
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<p>On a positive though this highlights the beauty of our team environment right now. Who knows what is going on with Savea, but whatever it is, it's all behind closed doors, management are working it through with him, and nobody is being a distraction and bigger than the team. </p> -
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<p>I reckon we need the best steppers in the team for Carisbrook - they've got a shitload of weeds and piles of rubble to avoid.</p>
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<p>I reckon it'll be alright for cricket season though.</p> -
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The rumors are getting louder there is a bit more going on with Julian than just poor rugby form . <br><br>
Devlin has said he has been told what it is , but is not going to reveal , but sounded sympathetic so it musnt be anything scandelous. -
<p>Congrats to Izzy Dagg on fighting his way back.</p>
<p>I didn't think he deserved be in the team for the last couple of years, but his improved form (combined with Savea losing his) warrants his selection.</p>
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<p>I expect he will make a good fist of it.</p>
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<p>Congrats to Izzy Dagg on fighting his way back.</p>
<p>I didn't think he deserved be in the team for the last couple of years, but his improved form (combined with Savea losing his) warrants his selection.</p>
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<p>I expect he will make a good fist of it.</p>
<p>If he doesn't the world's best fullback will do okay there.</p>
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<p>Amazing what a proper offseason will do for players. I wonder if the global game will go to a combined season and guarantee everyone a proper break - whatever the season looks like, giving players 3 months off would be great. The NFL has an offseason from February to September -- 7 months!</p> -
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<p>The rumors are getting louder there is a bit more going on with Julian than just poor rugby form .<br><br>
Devlin has said he has been told what it is , but is not going to reveal , but sounded sympathetic so it musnt be anything scandelous.</p>
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<p>I wonder if it's the same "issues" that were going around a little while ago.</p> -
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<p>Congrats to Izzy Dagg on fighting his way back.</p>
<p>I didn't think he deserved be in the team for the last couple of years, but his improved form (combined with Savea losing his) warrants his selection.</p>
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<p>I expect he will make a good fist of it.</p>
<p>If he doesn't the world's best fullback will do okay there.</p>
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<p>Yep, agreed.</p>
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<p>But........</p>
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<p>I just don't get why they can't keep the worlds best fullback at fullback, and put Dagg on the wing.</p>
<p>Surely he has the skills to do a good job there, just like many fullbacks before him have - see Smith, Jane, NMS, Wilson.</p> -
<p>Absolutely stoked to see Dagg selected for his 50th. What a fucking legend, could have easily taken the $$ after the RWC but chose to work his way back into form and is now reaping the rewards. J Savea - take note!</p>
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<p>Gunner - agree with the sentiment that moving one of our best players out of position to accommodate another is fraught with danger, but in this case Ben Smith is a 100% proven world class right wing. Dagg really isn't, so it does make sense to have Dagg at 15 where is he much more likely to have a good game. We know Ben Smith will carve up from 14.</p> -
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<p>Gunner - agree with the sentiment that moving one of our best players out of position to accommodate another is fraught with danger, but in this case Ben Smith is a 100% proven world class right wing. Dagg really isn't, so it does make sense to have Dagg at 15 where is he much more likely to have a good game. We know Ben Smith will carve up from 14.</p>
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<p>I can see the logic in that. But still, c'mon moving the best 15 in the world......hmmmmm, I dunno. :think:</p> -
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<p>I can see the logic in that. But still, c'mon moving the best 15 in the world......hmmmmm, I dunno. :think:</p>
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<p>yeah, but who else would you play there? they figure that 14 Smith + 15 Dagg is >> 15 Smith + 14 ????</p> -
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<p>I wonder if it's the same "issues" that were going around a little while ago.</p>
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<p>I have a feeling it might be, friends in the Police said way more shit went down than was actually made public but I'm not gonna chuck it on an online forum. LEt's just say there were a few family "culture clashes" ( his wife is Arabian )</p>
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<p>yeah, but who else would you play there? they figure that 14 Smith + 15 Dagg is >> 15 Smith + 14 ????</p>
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<p>See my post below, from 5 posts above :yes:</p>
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<p>Yep, agreed.</p>
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<p>But........</p>
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<p>I just don't get why they can't keep the worlds best fullback at fullback, and put Dagg on the wing.</p>
<p>Surely he has the skills to do a good job there, just like many fullbacks before him have - see Smith, Jane, NMS, Wilson.</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"> just don't get why they can't keep the worlds best fullback at fullback, and put Dagg on the wing.</span></p>
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<p>I'll agree to disagree then.</p>
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I think Dagg on the wing is a major step down. So clearly the three wise men agree with me, that</p>
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<p>14 Dagg + 15 Smith << 14 Smith + 15 Dagg</p>
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<p>I don't think Dagg has the skills or speed to be an effective winger. We've converted people before (Kahui in 2011 anyone?), but Dagg's skillset and thumping boot clearly work better from fullback.</p>
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<p>I'll stick with my point that I think Smith is our best option at 14 at present (given Naholo at 11)</p> -
<p>Dagg on the wing when it has been tried has not been terribly successful in Super Rugby, I remember the Blues owned him at Eden Park when he played on the wing a few years back, he played wing in the World Cup 2011 game v Canada I think it was but being Canada was a bit hard to gauge (I think Vito played 7 that day). </p>
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<p>As mentioned Smith at 14 (where he got nominated for World Player of the Year a few years back) and Dagg 15 is far superior to other way around in my opinion. </p> -
I don't think it's a question of who is the best fullback ?<br><br>
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<p>I don't think it's a question of who is the best fullback ?<br><br>
It's what is the best back 3 ?</p>
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<p>I remember when they tried the Savea/Gear/Barrett combo. That didn't work out amazingly well despite a sound hammering of Italy.</p>
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<p>Bender's kick chase game from the right wing is the best in the world IMO. Dagg can be better used with his garry owens from the back. The promising thing for Dagg though is that he's running more freely and not stopping before he goes into contact.</p>
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I think that's the thing , if dagg has his attacking mojo back , this combination could be a lot better than people think .
