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@Machpants said in Planes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
@Machpants said in Planes:
Da Fuk?
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Really common, when the plane's fly themselves and you're sitting in a comfy seat. Low arousal, long dull as shit days, literally nothing to do, etc. You doze off, normally just one pilot, but sometimes both. Humans are almost always the problem in aviation
Used to know a BA Captain who hated having ex-RAF pilots as second officers as "They want to fly the planes too much when they fly themselves. We're only there if things go wrong"
Yeah human's aren't as fuel efficient as the AP. Problem is they do so little actual flying, and have so few real emergencies, and fuck all sim practise - that when the shit does hit the fan most civvie airiner pilots are useless. Ex military at least have some experienc ein shit hitting the fan - fast jets are especially great at breaking down
šHeard that shit from so many ex military guys half of whom were fucking useless when the shit hit the fan. See how reliable a light aircraft is with PNG maintenance. I had 3 complete engine failures and 2 partials in 3 years. Doing up to 30 T/O and ldgs a day onto one way strips cut into,or up the side of a mountain taught a thing or two about the shit hitting the fan.
I probably have as many dead friends from my 3 years in PNG as you do.
Iāve done some sim instructing as well as 20+ years in airlines. Thereās fuck all difference between civil or military. Just some better pilots than others.
@Machpants: So tell me ... who's the better pilot?
@Snowy: We're having a nice moment here. Let's not ruin it.
#Maverick&Iceman
Snowy is the better pilot, I'm a Nav!
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@Machpants There was no offence taken. I had about 40% ex military guys (RAF, RAAF and CAF mostly) 30% ex top dressers ( not cross dressers but I did wonder), lots of bush pilots ( Canada, flying doctors, PNG etc, 30% cadets. All had their strengths.
One noticeable defect in some military guys was a superiority complex ( which was why I replied ) that made them terrible crew members. Even worse as Captains as they wouldnāt listen and were always right. Worse again if you had two of that ilk on one crew. Usually really good stick and rudder skills though as with the light aircraft guys.
Some us bush pilots were probably a bit āwildā anti authoritarian types. Some of the cadets whilst having little to no real experience knew the aircraft manuals by heart ( ask āConan the librarianā) if we had a tech fault.
Ideally you had a mix in each crew.
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@Paekakboyz said in Planes:
@Snowy feels like we get told military flying is harder due to the planes and mission objectives etc. But I guess commercial pilots clock up more hours? With a lot of that being on autopilot...
Completely different challenges really. As @Machpants said the military guys get plenty of sim time airline guys not so much. Big difference between military fast jet and military transport too.
Yes airline flying racks up the hours. Iāve got about 20,000 hours, so over 2 years airborne, and yes most of that with George in control. Hours of boredom interspersed with moments of sheer terror.
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@Machpants There was no offence taken. I had about 40% ex military guys (RAF, RAAF and CAF mostly) 30% ex top dressers ( not cross dressers but I did wonder), lots of bush pilots ( Canada, flying doctors, PNG etc, 30% cadets. All had their strengths.
One noticeable defect in some military guys was a superiority complex ( which was why I replied ) that made them terrible crew members. Even worse as Captains as they wouldnāt listen and were always right. Worse again if you had two of that ilk on one crew. Usually really good stick and rudder skills though as with the light aircraft guys.
Some us bush pilots were probably a bit āwildā anti authoritarian types. Some of the cadets whilst having little to no real experience knew the aircraft manuals by heart ( ask āConan the librarianā) if we had a tech fault.
Ideally you had a mix in each crew.
That's interesting, as my experience in the rotary and fast jet world is the opposite. I wonder how many were ex single seat types, do everything themselves? But pilots get assessed by navigators and vice versa, as all my aircraft were 2 plus crew. CRM was one of the most prized things, thus on ops you'd crew up, not chop and change like normal training etc. I've only a little experience with single seat types, and they did have a superiorly complex - but I was student filth at the time, so completely correctš¤£
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@Machpants Yeah, was talking single seat guys. A few ex red arrows spring to mind. A couple of them were also great. Would have thought team work would be ingrained in them, just some it seems.
The funny thing about CRM was that the guys that needed it the most poo pooed it.
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@Snowy That Goilala strip looks intenseā¦ Just wowā¦š³
Hope you are well šš» -
@mantissanet said in Planes:
@Snowy That Goilala strip looks intenseā¦ Just wowā¦š³
Hope you are well šš»Kamulai from memory. You been there? Did Goilalas when I first went up there but ended up going almost everywhere.
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This thread over te last few posts has been really interesting as I was talking about sim training etc with my brother who is over from Singapore.
He's going for his pilots licence mainly as something to do while locked down as he was so bored. His comments were it was way harder than he expected it to be. He's raced successfully at Formula 3 had a F1 licence and expected, I think, that those skills would be transferable.
He also flew in PNG a lot in the early 80's and said those experiences are one of the reasons he's going for his licence - to try and overcome the lifelong fear he has had since flying in the highlands
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On an absolute tangent one of the gamer/youtube streamers I follow has been roped into doing a 9/11 debunk anti-conspiracy steam.
He happened to be arguing with some conspiracy folks about the viability of the hijackers flying the planes after takeoff and what degree of accuracy v training they had. He was coming at it where the most demanding elements are takeoff, navigating (pinging or checking routes, or something?) then landing. So he was pushing back against the tinfoil crew about this part of the conspiracy stuff.
He also mentioned quite an old story from Canada where a guy with no formal training got airborne in a fairly big plane and managed to fly around before crashing. Seemed he'd learnt stuff from simulators only.
Obviously the model of plane must be a huge factor - as there are a bunch of stories of inexperienced folk landing smaller planes.
This is def not a rabbit hole post btw, just wanted to check that thinking with actual (female Polish) pilots
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@Paekakboyz said in Planes:
On an absolute tangent one of the gamer/youtube streamers I follow has been roped into doing a 9/11 debunk anti-conspiracy steam.
He happened to be arguing with some conspiracy folks about the viability of the hijackers flying the planes after takeoff and what degree of accuracy v training they had. He was coming at it where the most demanding elements are takeoff, navigating (pinging or checking routes, or something?) then landing. So he was pushing back against the tinfoil crew about this part of the conspiracy stuff.
He also mentioned quite an old story from Canada where a guy with no formal training got airborne in a fairly big plane and managed to fly around before crashing. Seemed he'd learnt stuff from simulators only.
Obviously the model of plane must be a huge factor - as there are a bunch of stories of inexperienced folk landing smaller planes.
This is def not a rabbit hole post btw, just wanted to check that thinking with actual (female Polish) pilots
SIms are pretty accurate, and I am pretty sure the hijackers did some flying training too. Certainly not that tricky once airborne
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The thing that surprised me about Sims is my bro is sitting at a simulator in Singapore practicing take offs, landings and emergency drills out of Dairy Flat.
I get it's just a database but didn't think they would have some bumfuck aerodrome (and landscape) just north of Auckland.
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@dogmeat I wonder how much stuff like google maps has played into that. Lots of games and apps just plug into all this data which is around now, whereas years ago it would have been a much bigger deal to map all these tiny airfields and stuff. I know with the virtual cycling you can ride all sorts of courses and roads, not sure if the golf software is still limited to the famous venues or there are heaps of other venues you can play.
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@Paekakboyz said in Planes:
@dogmeat I wonder how much stuff like google maps has played into that. Lots of games and apps just plug into all this data which is around now, whereas years ago it would have been a much bigger deal to map all these tiny airfields and stuff. I know with the virtual cycling you can ride all sorts of courses and roads, not sure if the golf software is still limited to the famous venues or there are heaps of other venues you can play.
Microsoft Flight Simulator uses it's own map software to real time map the world, you can mod it to use the better Google maps. MS and modders also release specific areas/airports that are upscaled. It is pretty amazing. Nothing like that was around in 911 though, but cockpits were realistic.
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@Machpants my flying was limited to GTA games
And it can be a lot of effort without cheat codes to get a plane. In the game I mean!
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Might want to give flying with air France a miss!
Air France pilots come to blows in cockpit mid-air
Air France under scrutiny following recent incidents which put passenger safety at risk.
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Ex Israeli F-16s operated by private company. (13 odd minutes)
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@mantissanet said in Planes:
Ex Israeli F-16s operated by private company. (13 odd minutes)
Love they're still using their A4 sticks
