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@Machpants said in Planes:
Hawks might've been Navy too, but they retired theirs this year
Culdrose I think. Lots of flypasts when the Hawks retired earlier this year. Miss them.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
@Machpants said in Planes:
Hawks might've been Navy too, but they retired theirs this year
Culdrose I think. Lots of flypasts when the Hawks retired earlier this year. Miss them.
To used to be FRaDU at Yeovilton, then when Portland closed down, and lynx moved in, the hawks went to Culdrose. In the same way the RAF is trying to big up its squadron list, by giving squadron numbers to stuff that shouldn't be squadrons, the hawks became 723 NAS.
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@Machpants said in Planes:
Da Fuk?
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Really common, when the plane's fly themselves and you're sitting in a comfy seat. Low arousal, long dull as shit days, literally nothing to do, etc. You doze off, normally just one pilot, but sometimes both. Humans are almost always the problem in aviation
Used to know a BA Captain who hated having ex-RAF pilots as second officers as "They want to fly the planes too much when they fly themselves. We're only there if things go wrong"
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In that podcast series I referenced last week about the Battle of Cresey (Cautionary Tales) there's an episode on a Russian airliner crashing because, amongst other reasons, they didn't trust the autopilot enough. (After initial fuck up the pilots and autopilot kept over riding each other.)
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In that podcast series I referenced last week about the Battle of Cresey (Cautionary Tales) there's an episode on a Russian airliner crashing because, amongst other reasons, they didn't trust the autopilot enough. (After initial fuck up the pilots and autopilot kept over riding each other.)
That was a really good episode. Because of the kids I kept wanting the outcome to be different despite the fact I knew the outcome.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
@Machpants said in Planes:
Da Fuk?
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Really common, when the plane's fly themselves and you're sitting in a comfy seat. Low arousal, long dull as shit days, literally nothing to do, etc. You doze off, normally just one pilot, but sometimes both. Humans are almost always the problem in aviation
Used to know a BA Captain who hated having ex-RAF pilots as second officers as "They want to fly the planes too much when they fly themselves. We're only there if things go wrong"
Yeah human's aren't as fuel efficient as the AP. Problem is they do so little actual flying, and have so few real emergencies, and fuck all sim practise - that when the shit does hit the fan most civvie airiner pilots are useless. Ex military at least have some experienc ein shit hitting the fan - fast jets are especially great at breaking down
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@Machpants said in Planes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
@Machpants said in Planes:
Da Fuk?
Thread
Really common, when the plane's fly themselves and you're sitting in a comfy seat. Low arousal, long dull as shit days, literally nothing to do, etc. You doze off, normally just one pilot, but sometimes both. Humans are almost always the problem in aviation
Used to know a BA Captain who hated having ex-RAF pilots as second officers as "They want to fly the planes too much when they fly themselves. We're only there if things go wrong"
Yeah human's aren't as fuel efficient as the AP. Problem is they do so little actual flying, and have so few real emergencies, and fuck all sim practise - that when the shit does hit the fan most civvie airiner pilots are useless. Ex military at least have some experienc ein shit hitting the fan - fast jets are especially great at breaking down
🙄Heard that shit from so many ex military guys half of whom were fucking useless when the shit hit the fan. See how reliable a light aircraft is with PNG maintenance. I had 3 complete engine failures and 2 partials in 3 years. Doing up to 30 T/O and ldgs a day onto one way strips cut into,or up the side of a mountain taught a thing or two about the shit hitting the fan.
I probably have as many dead friends from my 3 years in PNG as you do.
I’ve done some sim instructing as well as 20+ years in airlines. There’s fuck all difference between civil or military. Just some better pilots than others.
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One of my favourites on a good day. There was a crashed BN2 up against the side when I was there.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
I probably have as many dead friends from my 3 years in PNG as you do.
You had a cellar there too?
(Good to see you back. Hope all is well)
There’s a code - my friends don’t end up in the cellar.
Not really back but will respond to shit when I see it. An AB loss for example.
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@Snowy feels like we get told military flying is harder due to the planes and mission objectives etc. But I guess commercial pilots clock up more hours? With a lot of that being on autopilot...
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@Machpants said in Planes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
@Machpants said in Planes:
Da Fuk?
Thread
Really common, when the plane's fly themselves and you're sitting in a comfy seat. Low arousal, long dull as shit days, literally nothing to do, etc. You doze off, normally just one pilot, but sometimes both. Humans are almost always the problem in aviation
Used to know a BA Captain who hated having ex-RAF pilots as second officers as "They want to fly the planes too much when they fly themselves. We're only there if things go wrong"
Yeah human's aren't as fuel efficient as the AP. Problem is they do so little actual flying, and have so few real emergencies, and fuck all sim practise - that when the shit does hit the fan most civvie airiner pilots are useless. Ex military at least have some experienc ein shit hitting the fan - fast jets are especially great at breaking down
🙄Heard that shit from so many ex military guys half of whom were fucking useless when the shit hit the fan. See how reliable a light aircraft is with PNG maintenance. I had 3 complete engine failures and 2 partials in 3 years. Doing up to 30 T/O and ldgs a day onto one way strips cut into,or up the side of a mountain taught a thing or two about the shit hitting the fan.
I probably have as many dead friends from my 3 years in PNG as you do.
I’ve done some sim instructing as well as 20+ years in airlines. There’s fuck all difference between civil or military. Just some better pilots than others.
@Machpants: So tell me ... who's the better pilot?
@Snowy: We're having a nice moment here. Let's not ruin it.
#Maverick&Iceman
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@Machpants said in Planes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
@Machpants said in Planes:
Da Fuk?
Thread
Really common, when the plane's fly themselves and you're sitting in a comfy seat. Low arousal, long dull as shit days, literally nothing to do, etc. You doze off, normally just one pilot, but sometimes both. Humans are almost always the problem in aviation
Used to know a BA Captain who hated having ex-RAF pilots as second officers as "They want to fly the planes too much when they fly themselves. We're only there if things go wrong"
Yeah human's aren't as fuel efficient as the AP. Problem is they do so little actual flying, and have so few real emergencies, and fuck all sim practise - that when the shit does hit the fan most civvie airiner pilots are useless. Ex military at least have some experienc ein shit hitting the fan - fast jets are especially great at breaking down
🙄Heard that shit from so many ex military guys half of whom were fucking useless when the shit hit the fan. See how reliable a light aircraft is with PNG maintenance. I had 3 complete engine failures and 2 partials in 3 years. Doing up to 30 T/O and ldgs a day onto one way strips cut into,or up the side of a mountain taught a thing or two about the shit hitting the fan.
I probably have as many dead friends from my 3 years in PNG as you do.
Bloody hell it’s Snowy.
Anyway, what I don’t get is why you would ever have got back in a plane, I mean ever, after that.
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@Machpants said in Planes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
@Machpants said in Planes:
Da Fuk?
Thread
Really common, when the plane's fly themselves and you're sitting in a comfy seat. Low arousal, long dull as shit days, literally nothing to do, etc. You doze off, normally just one pilot, but sometimes both. Humans are almost always the problem in aviation
Used to know a BA Captain who hated having ex-RAF pilots as second officers as "They want to fly the planes too much when they fly themselves. We're only there if things go wrong"
Yeah human's aren't as fuel efficient as the AP. Problem is they do so little actual flying, and have so few real emergencies, and fuck all sim practise - that when the shit does hit the fan most civvie airiner pilots are useless. Ex military at least have some experienc ein shit hitting the fan - fast jets are especially great at breaking down
🙄Heard that shit from so many ex military guys half of whom were fucking useless when the shit hit the fan. See how reliable a light aircraft is with PNG maintenance. I had 3 complete engine failures and 2 partials in 3 years. Doing up to 30 T/O and ldgs a day onto one way strips cut into,or up the side of a mountain taught a thing or two about the shit hitting the fan.
I probably have as many dead friends from my 3 years in PNG as you do.
I’ve done some sim instructing as well as 20+ years in airlines. There’s fuck all difference between civil or military. Just some better pilots than others.
I certainly aren't talking about guys like yourself, that's why I said civvie airliner pilots. Apologies I didn't make that clear. I know a lot of topdressing guys, they have a lot of experience when it's crap, Deer hunting heli pilots (uncle). But bog standard through the acadamys airline pilots, no thanks. BA pilots go front line with only one actual flight, and everything else is sim. They have no experience of actual stress, we all know that a sim is not the same as the real thing, despite regs. The difference between the hundreds of simulated Anti-SAM Defensive Maneuvres I did, and the handful of real ones is rather massive!
In the RAF we had 4 sim trips per month, everyone just FULL of emergency after emergency. I know from my mates in the airlines they do them twice a year. That's not enough IMO. And everything military I flew broke down regularly so you had real failures to get you ready.
And a generalisation obvs, as you said good and bad pilots
No insult intended
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@Machpants said in Planes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Planes:
@Machpants said in Planes:
Da Fuk?
Thread
Really common, when the plane's fly themselves and you're sitting in a comfy seat. Low arousal, long dull as shit days, literally nothing to do, etc. You doze off, normally just one pilot, but sometimes both. Humans are almost always the problem in aviation
Used to know a BA Captain who hated having ex-RAF pilots as second officers as "They want to fly the planes too much when they fly themselves. We're only there if things go wrong"
Yeah human's aren't as fuel efficient as the AP. Problem is they do so little actual flying, and have so few real emergencies, and fuck all sim practise - that when the shit does hit the fan most civvie airiner pilots are useless. Ex military at least have some experienc ein shit hitting the fan - fast jets are especially great at breaking down
🙄Heard that shit from so many ex military guys half of whom were fucking useless when the shit hit the fan. See how reliable a light aircraft is with PNG maintenance. I had 3 complete engine failures and 2 partials in 3 years. Doing up to 30 T/O and ldgs a day onto one way strips cut into,or up the side of a mountain taught a thing or two about the shit hitting the fan.
I probably have as many dead friends from my 3 years in PNG as you do.
I’ve done some sim instructing as well as 20+ years in airlines. There’s fuck all difference between civil or military. Just some better pilots than others.
@Machpants: So tell me ... who's the better pilot?
@Snowy: We're having a nice moment here. Let's not ruin it.
#Maverick&Iceman
Snowy is the better pilot, I'm a Nav!
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@Machpants There was no offence taken. I had about 40% ex military guys (RAF, RAAF and CAF mostly) 30% ex top dressers ( not cross dressers but I did wonder), lots of bush pilots ( Canada, flying doctors, PNG etc, 30% cadets. All had their strengths.
One noticeable defect in some military guys was a superiority complex ( which was why I replied ) that made them terrible crew members. Even worse as Captains as they wouldn’t listen and were always right. Worse again if you had two of that ilk on one crew. Usually really good stick and rudder skills though as with the light aircraft guys.
Some us bush pilots were probably a bit “wild” anti authoritarian types. Some of the cadets whilst having little to no real experience knew the aircraft manuals by heart ( ask “Conan the librarian”) if we had a tech fault.
Ideally you had a mix in each crew.
