Musk & Twitter
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@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@No-Quarter said in Musk & Twitter:
Like a tweet I saw that went viral among lefties and "anti-Muskers" that reckoned a key reason it was going to crash was "a random HDD will fill up because nobody is watching it", and it would be catastrophic. Like yeah, sometimes directories get full and cause issues, but they are the easiest of incidents to fix, and the easiest to prevent repeats of. Just absurd nonsense.
Is it simply a political issue? Musk seems to have a rather mercurial approach to management, intervention and client autonomy, could be PR, could be personality, but hard to tell..
There's a lot of political stuff, too. I heard him described by a radio presenter as a terrible businessman, and literally laughed out loud. Like, the richest man in the world is a terrible businessman. It's ... an interesting take
To be fair, that wealth is from a ludicrous valuation of Tesla.
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@antipodean said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@No-Quarter said in Musk & Twitter:
Like a tweet I saw that went viral among lefties and "anti-Muskers" that reckoned a key reason it was going to crash was "a random HDD will fill up because nobody is watching it", and it would be catastrophic. Like yeah, sometimes directories get full and cause issues, but they are the easiest of incidents to fix, and the easiest to prevent repeats of. Just absurd nonsense.
Is it simply a political issue? Musk seems to have a rather mercurial approach to management, intervention and client autonomy, could be PR, could be personality, but hard to tell..
There's a lot of political stuff, too. I heard him described by a radio presenter as a terrible businessman, and literally laughed out loud. Like, the richest man in the world is a terrible businessman. It's ... an interesting take
To be fair, that wealth is from a ludicrous valuation of Tesla.
which he kinda built into a massive operation. And also SpaceX of course ... and he got a fat payout from PayPal. You can think he's a dick (true), a maverick (also true), but he's got good business sense and has built some massive companies. Fair play to the dude ... transforming the electic car market and building reusable spaceships are both game changers for our planet.
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@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@Kirwan said in Musk & Twitter:
@NTA said in Musk & Twitter:
@Kirwan said in Musk & Twitter:
Twitter has also laid off less than Meta (11,000) and many other tech companies over the past few weeks. There are significant layoffs going on at the moment in the tech industry.
Meta had 10 times the number of employees tho, so not exactly apples with apples.
Yes, but multiple companies laying off thousands of people is a clear trend to cut staff costs.
I thought Meta/Facebook had particular issues?
10,000 from Amazon, 6000 from HP, lots of smaller layoffs from other tech companies. One figure I saw was 73,000 annouced layoffs, could be more when it all washes out.
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@Kirwan said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@Kirwan said in Musk & Twitter:
@NTA said in Musk & Twitter:
@Kirwan said in Musk & Twitter:
Twitter has also laid off less than Meta (11,000) and many other tech companies over the past few weeks. There are significant layoffs going on at the moment in the tech industry.
Meta had 10 times the number of employees tho, so not exactly apples with apples.
Yes, but multiple companies laying off thousands of people is a clear trend to cut staff costs.
I thought Meta/Facebook had particular issues?
10,000 from Amazon, 6000 from HP, lots of smaller layoffs from other tech companies. One figure I saw was 73,000 annouced layoffs, could be more when it all washes out.
Ok I thought Meta had particular problems but I take your point.
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@antipodean said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@No-Quarter said in Musk & Twitter:
Like a tweet I saw that went viral among lefties and "anti-Muskers" that reckoned a key reason it was going to crash was "a random HDD will fill up because nobody is watching it", and it would be catastrophic. Like yeah, sometimes directories get full and cause issues, but they are the easiest of incidents to fix, and the easiest to prevent repeats of. Just absurd nonsense.
Is it simply a political issue? Musk seems to have a rather mercurial approach to management, intervention and client autonomy, could be PR, could be personality, but hard to tell..
There's a lot of political stuff, too. I heard him described by a radio presenter as a terrible businessman, and literally laughed out loud. Like, the richest man in the world is a terrible businessman. It's ... an interesting take
To be fair, that wealth is from a ludicrous valuation of Tesla.
Which he points out whenever he can. Wealth is a silly measure of success of a business anyway. Before Tesla, EVs were not popular and hardly any other motor company was serious offering them - now it's the future. That's a pretty big success in my opinion.
SpaceX it's even more obviously successful. Add in Starlink, Battery products, Solar, etc - he clearly has sucessful businesses. From memory, he doesn't consider himself a businessman at all, but an engineer. Take that as you will.
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@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@antipodean said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@No-Quarter said in Musk & Twitter:
Like a tweet I saw that went viral among lefties and "anti-Muskers" that reckoned a key reason it was going to crash was "a random HDD will fill up because nobody is watching it", and it would be catastrophic. Like yeah, sometimes directories get full and cause issues, but they are the easiest of incidents to fix, and the easiest to prevent repeats of. Just absurd nonsense.
Is it simply a political issue? Musk seems to have a rather mercurial approach to management, intervention and client autonomy, could be PR, could be personality, but hard to tell..
There's a lot of political stuff, too. I heard him described by a radio presenter as a terrible businessman, and literally laughed out loud. Like, the richest man in the world is a terrible businessman. It's ... an interesting take
To be fair, that wealth is from a ludicrous valuation of Tesla.
which he kinda built into a massive operation. And also SpaceX of course ... and he got a fat payout from PayPal.
Yeah, Musk and Musk alone built Tesla. SpaceX is a private business so none of us know if that's profitable and his involvement with Paypal is less than sweet fuck all - that was Peter Thiel.
I'll say this for him; he's a great salesman.
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@antipodean said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@antipodean said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@No-Quarter said in Musk & Twitter:
Like a tweet I saw that went viral among lefties and "anti-Muskers" that reckoned a key reason it was going to crash was "a random HDD will fill up because nobody is watching it", and it would be catastrophic. Like yeah, sometimes directories get full and cause issues, but they are the easiest of incidents to fix, and the easiest to prevent repeats of. Just absurd nonsense.
Is it simply a political issue? Musk seems to have a rather mercurial approach to management, intervention and client autonomy, could be PR, could be personality, but hard to tell..
There's a lot of political stuff, too. I heard him described by a radio presenter as a terrible businessman, and literally laughed out loud. Like, the richest man in the world is a terrible businessman. It's ... an interesting take
To be fair, that wealth is from a ludicrous valuation of Tesla.
which he kinda built into a massive operation. And also SpaceX of course ... and he got a fat payout from PayPal.
Yeah, Musk and Musk alone built Tesla. SpaceX is a private business so none of us know if that's profitable and his involvement with Paypal is less than sweet fuck all - that was Peter Thiel.
I'll say this for him; he's a great salesman.
Awesome strawmen there. Even Musk doesn't claim he did all this alone.
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@antipodean said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@antipodean said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@No-Quarter said in Musk & Twitter:
Like a tweet I saw that went viral among lefties and "anti-Muskers" that reckoned a key reason it was going to crash was "a random HDD will fill up because nobody is watching it", and it would be catastrophic. Like yeah, sometimes directories get full and cause issues, but they are the easiest of incidents to fix, and the easiest to prevent repeats of. Just absurd nonsense.
Is it simply a political issue? Musk seems to have a rather mercurial approach to management, intervention and client autonomy, could be PR, could be personality, but hard to tell..
There's a lot of political stuff, too. I heard him described by a radio presenter as a terrible businessman, and literally laughed out loud. Like, the richest man in the world is a terrible businessman. It's ... an interesting take
To be fair, that wealth is from a ludicrous valuation of Tesla.
which he kinda built into a massive operation. And also SpaceX of course ... and he got a fat payout from PayPal.
Yeah, Musk and Musk alone built Tesla. SpaceX is a private business so none of us know if that's profitable and his involvement with Paypal is less than sweet fuck all - that was Peter Thiel.
I'll say this for him; he's a great salesman.
you'd struggle to say he's a crap businessman though. Richest man in the world.
Honestly, I thought he was a great salesman and was veeeery skeptical, but you hear him talk and he seems like a bloody good Engineer. It's impressive. He appears very hands on; rocket science is hard, but he's managed to drive people to a revolution there (and I don't say that lightly). 7 years ago they were being mocked for being reusable; 'reusable' had connotations of the space shuttle ... which was a full rebuild after each launch. Now it's the norm.
Oh yeah - and SpaceX is spinning off into internet available across the world. That's kinda crazy, and yet another game changer.
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@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
Oh yeah - and SpaceX is spinning off into internet available across the world. That's kinda crazy, and yet another game changer.
That is crazy - I can now purchase my wifi off Elon Musks satellites, no need to go to my local telco, no need for a fiber connection or any sort of infrastructure just use his satellites.
It's incredible and not to mention every telco that must be shitting themselves.
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@Windows97 said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
Oh yeah - and SpaceX is spinning off into internet available across the world. That's kinda crazy, and yet another game changer.
That is crazy - I can now purchase my wifi off Elon Musks satellites, no need to go to my local telco, no need for a fiber connection or any sort of infrastructure just use his satellites.
It's incredible and not to mention every telco that must be shitting themselves.
And he's launching 50 of those satellites every ten days. Once Starship is able to deploy those some time next year that will increase significantly too.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp that all seems fair...and if he can run a company with a fraction of the staff without noticeable loss in turnover....thats going to make money
Or lose less money
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@Windows97 said in Musk & Twitter:
@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
Oh yeah - and SpaceX is spinning off into internet available across the world. That's kinda crazy, and yet another game changer.
That is crazy - I can now purchase my wifi off Elon Musks satellites, no need to go to my local telco, no need for a fiber connection or any sort of infrastructure just use his satellites.
and the satellites put it anywhere in the world. Eccentric Orbits book is really good - talks about the paucity of satellite coverage away from the equatorial regions. It drops off steeply as you head away. Iridium cracked it for phones; Starlink is doing it for internet. IT's crazy.
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@Kirwan said in Musk & Twitter:
And he's launching 50 of those satellites every ten days. Once Starship is able to deploy those some time next year that will increase significantly too.
Well the more satellites he puts up there the more coverage he'll get and ultimately the cheaper he'll be able to provide the service for.
And once it gets close the point that its the same or cheaper for average Joe to buy their internet off Elon as it does to get it from Spark or Slingshot then well the scales tip incredibly in his favor.
Because unlike Spark Elon can sell his internet to the entire world.
And fiber and cable could go the way of the phonebook...
That's impressive entrepreneurship whilst at the same time creating a potentially terrifying monopoly.
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@Windows97 said in Musk & Twitter:
And once it gets close the point that its the same or cheaper for average Joe to buy their internet off Elon as it does to get it from Spark or Slingshot then well the scales tip incredibly in his favor.
it sounds like this is unlikely in urban areas. I understand that density has significant effects on speed/quality.
Where it shines is anywhere that fibre isn't easy to get to - like most of the world outside cities.
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considering its only been the last 10 year where countries have rolled out hundreds of billions to install fibre...maybe they should have looked a bit further and invested in something like this
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@nzzp said in Musk & Twitter:
@Windows97 said in Musk & Twitter:
And once it gets close the point that its the same or cheaper for average Joe to buy their internet off Elon as it does to get it from Spark or Slingshot then well the scales tip incredibly in his favor.
it sounds like this is unlikely in urban areas. I understand that density has significant effects on speed/quality.
Where it shines is anywhere that fibre isn't easy to get to - like most of the world outside cities.
Yes I could see that being an issue, but even then that's a much bigger target market than any other telco could wish to achieve.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Musk & Twitter:
considering its only been the last 10 year where countries have rolled out hundreds of billions to install fibre...maybe they should have looked a bit further and invested in something like this
Nah, fibre is a much better option if you can get it, much more stable/reliable and won't be interfered with by atmospheric conditions. The roll out of fibre is absolutely awesome and has been a big game changer for so many reasons, including the ability to work remotely / from home. Elon's satellite internet is very cool though, and as @nzzp is fantastic for areas outside of the main centres where laying fibre can be challenging.