England vs Springboks
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Eddie rings the changes - a bit:
England: Steward; Freeman, Tuilagi, Farrell (capt), May; Smith, Van Poortvliet; M Vunipola, George, Sinckler, Itoje, Hill, Coles, Curry, B Vunipola.
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Ribbans, Simmonds, Youngs, Slade, Nowell.
Persisting with Billy V seems stubborn to me, I can only think of one time he really bent the line with his carrying last week. Simmonds made more ground with the ball than Bill and did so the week before and in his cameo against Argentina. I like Mako as a finisher but his mauling in the RWC final v the Saffers still haunts me. True, Genge didn't have his best scrummaging game last week but overall he's a far more aggressive scrummager than Mako. Hill lucky to stay as Ribbans looked the goods last week. Still only one flanker in the 23 - why? Nowell lucky to retain his place in the squad IMO.
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SA could really do a job here if they play fast and direct
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@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
ABs played Japan on the way over and Wales outside the test window. Wallabies played Scotland and now Wales outside test window etc. So all bsaically played the same number anyway.
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@Dan54 said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
ABs played Japan on the way over and Wales outside the test window. Wallabies played Scotland and now Wales outside test window etc. So all bsaically played the same number anyway.
Wales match was in the Test window
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@Catogrande who on the bench are you unfamiliar with?
Thomas Du Toit is fourth string tighthead (with Nyakane and Koch not available). Has been around the squad for a while now, but doesnt get many opportunities due to the depth we have in the position. Best known for being fucken massive, but probably a step down from Koch scrummaging wise.
Hendrikse is young nine that. Was first choice for much of the rugby championship. Very technically correct scrumhalf with a great boot.
Libbok is a flyhalf (probably the most unknown player in the side). Had a couple of years as journeyman moving between the bulls and the Sharks. He moved to the stormers in 2021 and has been amazing since. There have been calls for him to be more involved since Pollard and Jantjes became unavailable, but Rasnaber have gone with Willemse and Steyn rather. Solid all round flyhalf with a bit of pace. Threw a gem of a pass last week against Italy to set up the final try.
Moodie is a very you winger known mostly for his defence. Very good in the air, but less of stepper than Arendse or Kolbe.
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Van Staaden and the ones you mentioned mean little to me. Not sure I’ve seen anything of them. Look forward to seeing what they’ve got
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@Catogrande van Staaden is nuggety groundhog openside that spent a season at Leicester (so I assumed youd know him). Hes been having trouble with concussions recently so havent shown much form coming into this tour
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@Machpants said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
England aren’t against revenue sharing for outside of window matches. They’re broke, for a start. However they have previously refused to pay the amount that the ABs wanted, obvs SA asked for less
Cant understand how England can be broke when they were charging extortionate ticket prices for the ABs match of up to £800 per ticket. The stadium revenue from the autumn internationals..let alone the advertising not to mention the food/drinks outlets must be swelling the coffers surely.
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@Jailbreak7 revenues were down from £167M to £97M in the last accounting year (2021), with a loss from the previous year of £27.1M. There was an accounting profit of £20.5M in 2021 however due to the largesse of debenture holdings which reduced a future liability on the books, but that was a paper profit only.
Broke is probably not the word but they haven't made any proper profit for some time now. It is clearly not a sustainable situation.
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@Jailbreak7 said in England vs Springboks:
@Machpants said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
England aren’t against revenue sharing for outside of window matches. They’re broke, for a start. However they have previously refused to pay the amount that the ABs wanted, obvs SA asked for less
Cant understand how England can be broke when they were charging extortionate ticket prices for the ABs match of up to £800 per ticket. The stadium revenue from the autumn internationals..let alone the advertising not to mention the food/drinks outlets must be swelling the coffers surely.
Covid, and gin costs
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@Machpants said in England vs Springboks:
@Jailbreak7 said in England vs Springboks:
@Machpants said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
England aren’t against revenue sharing for outside of window matches. They’re broke, for a start. However they have previously refused to pay the amount that the ABs wanted, obvs SA asked for less
Cant understand how England can be broke when they were charging extortionate ticket prices for the ABs match of up to £800 per ticket. The stadium revenue from the autumn internationals..let alone the advertising not to mention the food/drinks outlets must be swelling the coffers surely.
Covid, and gin costs
One a temporary nuisance, the other a perennial drag on profit.
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@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
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@Rapido said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
@Rapido said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
I'm talking about revenue sharing for all tests.
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@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@Rapido said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
@Rapido said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
I'm talking about revenue sharing for all tests.
Why the duck would any union do that?
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@MiketheSnow said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@Rapido said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
@Rapido said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
I'm talking about revenue sharing for all tests.
Why the duck would any union do that?
For the growth of the game?
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@MiketheSnow said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@Rapido said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
@Rapido said in England vs Springboks:
@booboo said in England vs Springboks:
@canefan said in England vs Springboks:
Off thread I know, but why have the ABs finished their tour a week earlier than their SANZAR counterparts?
Obviously these two negotiated revenue sharing matches outside the Test window.
Interesting as England have been the biggest opponents of revenue sharing.
Which is IMO why NZ v Eng has not happened more regularly.
This bolded part isnt correct. England do 2 revenue sharing/out-of-window tests per 4 years. So, every second Autumm. It is even negotiated into the PGA with the PRL clubs re: player release.
It may seem less, recently, as the one v NZ back in 2018 broke down in negotiations between the 2 unions as wasn't replaced by a different opponent.
I'm talking about revenue sharing for all tests.
Why the duck would any union do that?
Yeah it's dream world stuff. But what WR should punish, maybe fines that pay to the affected opponent, is when the first test of the tour doesn't have access to the full players of the touring Union. Like when France comes down here with the first test on the same weekend as the top fourteen final. It that happens, it's devaluing the product - the financial negative should be compensated
