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@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo yeah, very shameful day for NZ allowing that to happen. The media are despicable as well, constantly framing her as an "anti transgender activist supported by neo-nazis". The media aren't beholden to the activists, they are the activists.
The optics of that are insane as well. A small group of women gathered to talk about women's rights, and they were attacked by a mob of mostly biological men, and the police did nothing to protect them. Just crazy.
agree with you. for me this was one of the most shameful weeks in nz history
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo Free speech is alive and well - provided you’re on the left of centre.
The western world is sleepwalking into a nightmare.
It astonishes me how quickly hard won freedom gets binned and justified when it aligns with someone's personal viewpoint. I dipped into Reddit, where people argued that throwing tomato juice over someone wasn't violence or assault, and was perfectly justified. The issue for me is precedent and escalation; I'll bet throwing a dildo that hits Grant Robertson, or tomato juice over Jacinda Adern wouldn't be seen as funny or OK.
Free speech for speech you agree with is not free speech. Free speech for people you fundamentally disagree with is important and healthy. Like a lot of things, I get the sense this won't end well.
Edit: and escalation; once one side starts using physicality, you expect it and bring a proportionately bigger presence to the next rally. It's a spiral of shittiness that won't end well for anyone.
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As far I can tell the Spinoff , Stuff, the Herald and Newshub did a fantastic job………of destroying what little trust the public had left in them .
Contrast their coverage of this with their coverage of the parliament protests last year for a start . Also smearing her as a Nazi helped whip up the violence we saw yesterday.
The trans men involved like Shaleel Lal backed up my impression that 10% of trans men are actually trans and the rest are basically narcissistic misogynistic bullies . The glee they showed while pushing apart the barriers and mobbing a tiny middle aged woman was actually quite disturbing to watch .
Chloe Swarbrick and Marama Davidson managed to come out looking the worst of all of our MPs , hardly surprising really. Plenty of others soiled themselves though .
The rest of the world seems to have peak transed and the countries like Sweden and Finland that were the first to cave to the excesses of trans activists are changing their laws back and banning the sterilisation of children. I fear we’ll be the last to that particular party if this weekend is anything to go by.
Not a great look for NZ , if you visit the Pure NZ twitter page it’s basically tweet after tweet from women overseas pointing out what a misogynistic shithole NZ is if our government and media condone what happened and the police didn’t intervene . Hard to disagree with them to be honest because I’m yet to see anyone in our media or government condemn what took place yesterday.
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Let’s call it like it is
They’re just a bunch of fluffybunnies, which is ironic seeing as they don’t have one
Perhaps that’s the first stage of transformation
The youth have their knickers in a twist about how people of my age - +55 and above - have and are continuing to destroy the planet
This is the shit they should be up in arms about ffs
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@MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Let’s call it like it is
They’re just a bunch of fluffybunnies, which is ironic seeing as they don’t have one
Perhaps that’s the first stage of transformation
The youth have their knickers in a twist about how people of my age - +55 and above - have and are continuing to destroy the planet
This is the shit they should be up in arms about ffs
As well as the thuggish behaviour the selfishness of it gets me too, imagine what gay rights groups in countries where they have less rights than here think when they see this stuff . The wifi password community here is effectively giving the anti lbgt movements overseas ammunition to use against them
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@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Oh ffs , the absolute state of this
The old "violence is OK as long as it isn't physical" argument - as used by masked fascists and domestic abusers everywhere.
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Nobody wins here. Losers all around.
PP is her own worst enemy. It’s completely unfair to label her in with her neo nazi followers, give she has been very clear that is is no part of her politics.
Scariest part is how many genuinely think it’s a great day for NZ.
It’s closer to 1984 than many think.
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@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Nobody wins here. Losers all around.
I disagree. That small but vocal % of the population who believe they are on the right side of history and things like free speech, reasoned debate and civility, can't be allowed to get in the way of progress will be ecstatic - and emboldened by a belief that violence or threats brings results.
I wonder how the NZ government will react? Will Hipkins legislate for free speech like the UK did after Professor Kathleen Stock was hounded out of Oxford University by masked TG activists for saying trans people can't change biological sex?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Nobody wins here. Losers all around.
I disagree. That small but vocal % of the population who believe they are on the right side of history and things like free speech, reasoned debate and civility, can't be allowed to get in the way of progress will be ecstatic - and emboldened by a belief that violence or threats brings results.
I wonder how the NZ government will react? Will Hipkins legislate for free speech like the UK did after Professor Kathleen Stock was hounded out of Oxford University by masked TG activists for saying trans people can't change biological sex?
They will do nothing . They’ll just keep quiet till it disappears out of the news cycle. Ffs these clowns are so desperate to appear in favour of “ the current thing” we actually have a former midwife as an mp who thinks men can give birth .
The next tweet under hers is from Shaleel Lal thanking her, he’s the creep who helped incite the thugs this weekend.
This isn’t the first time the government and their supporters have treated women like shit and given a pass by the media . Arderns simps were out in force when Charlotte Bellis had to go to the Taliban for help and she shed light on the other 50 plus pregnant women who were abandoned overseas . When Hipkins became pm the same people who abused and defamed her were out in force again despite him admitting he lied and acted illegally. The kids who were born overseas now have issues with getting citizenship after being illegally stuck overseas due to “ kindness “ and “empathy “ .
A couple more scenes from the anti women’s rights movement in Tehran …(checks notes) I mean Auckland on Saturday
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italicised text@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@paremata that last video was actually in London.
Same vibe though.
Cheers , I’ve deleted it. The one where the old lady gets repeatedly punched in the face is not “ joyful and life affirming “ it’s disturbing.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/26-03-2023/an-alternative-view-of-the-angry-protest-crowd
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