Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion
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@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Stargazer call it what you like, but it's also the Fern way to call bullshit on made up stuff.
I'm confused. Am I making up that there is silence from the Blues?
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I did wonder a while back if the Blues were making a mess of recruitment when it was reported that they had missed out on two preferred candidates. Just stating what was reported as fact and wondering if that would impact things with further candidates knowing they re at least 3rd preference.
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@Crucial said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
I did wonder a while back if the Blues were making a mess of recruitment when it was reported that they had missed out on two preferred candidates. Just stating what was reported as fact and wondering if that would impact things with further candidates knowing they re at least 3rd preference.
No agenda or narrative in that.Any my point is that you (and all of us) have no idea who their preferred candidates are, just lots of speculation in the press. Unlike other orgs, the Blues have kept quiet.
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@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Crucial You forgetting what you write?
"they are waiting for other teams to throw them the candidates they don't want"
Nice editing out of the word 'or'. My poor punctuation in missing the question mark but that word makes it clearly a question.
Speculation and raising questions is a big part of a discussion board is it not?
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@Crucial said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Crucial You forgetting what you write?
"they are waiting for other teams to throw them the candidates they don't want"
Nice editing out of the word 'or'. My poor punctuation in missing the question mark but that word makes it clearly a question.
Speculation and raising questions is a big part of a discussion board is it not?
As is pointing out when speculation is unfounded and verring into fantasyland. You do know a discussion is two way right?
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@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Crucial said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Crucial You forgetting what you write?
"they are waiting for other teams to throw them the candidates they don't want"
Nice editing out of the word 'or'. My poor punctuation in missing the question mark but that word makes it clearly a question.
Speculation and raising questions is a big part of a discussion board is it not?
As is pointing out when speculation is unfounded and verring into fantasyland. You do know a discussion is two way right?
How is it unfounded when there are no clear known options? Of course there will be speculation just as the press have done. So far they have been 'in the know' around the Saders and Canes so it's valid to wonder why not the Blues.
You keep stating that they are great at keeping quiet. You have as much proof of that as I have of them scrambling.I'm happy for discussion around it, just not having my posts called bullshit, being accused of pushing a narrative or implication that my speculation is any more unfounded than your own.
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Your comment about "OR they are waiting for other teams to throw them the candidates they don't want" is unfounded bullshit.
Just because journalists don't know who the options are doesn't meant here are no clear options. As I said, it looks like the Blues (based on the lack of leaks) are treating the hiring process with a bit more privacy than other orgs.
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@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
Just because journalists don't know who the options are doesn't meant here are no clear options. As I said, it looks like the Blues (based on the lack of leaks) are treating the hiring process with a bit more privacy than other orgs.
Where have I heard that before? That's right I typed this just before the bit you (mis(quoted)
@Crucial said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
The deathly silence from Auckland implies either some behind the scenes recruiting that the gossip grapevine isn't picking up on
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At least you've adjusted to 'it looks like' instead of stating it as fact.
@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
Unlike other orgs, the Blues have kept quiet.
Other orgs haven't made statements until their signing was done but the press managed to find out what what was going on. Have they kept quiet or is there not much to find out? Valid question IMO.
There has been rumour that Coventry isn't happy about the situation but that could also be speculation as Blues have stated that they are looking for "an elder statesman"
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@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
I know you don't like being corrected, but you were not misquoted. You said something stupid, implying you (or some journalists) knew who the Blues choices were and were being gazumped, when in reality you have no idea.
Of course I have no idea, nor do you.
You've twisted this in a negative way.
I'm not implying that they are being gazumped at all. eg Cotter may have been sounded out by Saders and Blues but had already done his application/proposal to Saders so asked to wait for the outcome.
That's just two franchises competing for one coach. Nothing bad about that. One will be the candidate's preference and they could end up that franchise's discard. My implication was that Blues could be waiting.
Maybe they see him as a good fit for them so are happy to let it play out.
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At least you have stopped trying to make stuff up.
As I said, from the lacks of leaks it looks like the Blues are treating the hiring process with more privacy - or the people in the running a less inclined to speak to the press.
Your attempts to read tea leaves from silence is very much 2 + 2 = 20.
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@Crucial said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
I know you don't like being corrected, but you were not misquoted. You said something stupid, implying you (or some journalists) knew who the Blues choices were and were being gazumped, when in reality you have no idea.
Of course I have no idea, nor do you.
Never said I did. You are the one making silly comments based on nothing.
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@Kirwan said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
Your attempts to read tea leaves from silence is very much 2 + 2 = 20.
I think someone else explained that already
@Stargazer said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
@Kirwan That's not pushing a narrative. It's just speculating about possible reasons for the "silence" at the Blues. It's a quite normal thing to do on the Fern if there are no clear answers.
Making stuff up? Speculation?
Potayto/potahto
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Does anyone know what Jason O'Halloran doing now?
He's no longer listed as the attack coach at Suntory.
https://www.suntory.com/culture-sports/sungoliath/squad/
It blows my mind that he hasn't been approached by any SR franchises.
His CV reads, 2011 & 2010 U20 attack coach, best Manawatu coach ever, Scotland asst. 2015-2017, Glasgow asst. 2016-20, Suntory attack coach 2021-2022 (2 time finalist & most tries scored in both seasons) and once he leaves Suntory (2023) their performance drops. I can't think of many who are anywhere near as successful coaching in NZ at the moment.
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@kiwi_expat That drop to finishing fourth in the 2023 Japan League One happened while he was still their assistant coach.
His departure from Sungoliath was only announced two weeks ago.
