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    Selecting Hoskins Sotutu would keep him away from an English poaching.

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    It really would be odd to select Paps, Cane, Niggles AND LJ. About as much variation as Richie Benaud’s trousers.

    Logic would suggest one of those misses out. Another genuine 6 or 8 on the other hand would be most welcome.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024:

    Another genuine 6 or 8 on the other hand would be most welcome.

    how many do we have left?

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    @nostrildamus Once you exclude Blues players not many. A few Crusaders who were mentioned in dispatches previously, but haven’t kicked on.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024:

    @nostrildamus Once you exclude Blues players not many. A few Crusaders who were mentioned in dispatches previously, but haven’t kicked on.

    And I was thinking one Cane, who might find the international level a step up. I've also liked Harmon, but he appears a different player in 2024 and he's really a 7. Shame, as someone said, Hemopo left.

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    Saw an interview, Razor said an extra prop and lock, and couple more backs.

    Really wish they would just try out Sotutu, or he could end up in white.

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    Extra Prop: Numia
    Lock: Darry
    Backs: Jordan and probably Havili, although I'd prefer Plummer.

    Cane might get in there somewhere. Sami T will return if fit.

    I'd love to see Akira Ioane, Hoskins Sotutu and Ruben Love in there, but I am not holding breadth for them to get picked.

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    If we take Cane and Jordan as given, then to me another lock is a must, so Lord or Darry. The latter is fit, and heavier, so would get my vote, with Lord on standby.
    The obvious area to shore up is at 12, and Lam would be worth a look. Tupaea and Poihipi would also have supporters, given Havili is fairly long in the tooth.
    My roughy would be to bring in Suafoa, and let LJ go. He's Kaino sized, a lineout target, who can cover lock, and has proven his intestinal fortitude in spades.

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    Which is the worst reason to select anyone ever.

    So you want to cap him again to make him ineligible for another 3 years for England and presumably once he has done that then he can be dropped again?

    He won’t get picked in TRC squad.

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    On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.

    I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.

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    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:

    On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.

    I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.

    I’ve got no hate for him but with alb in sharp form , I don’t see why he is needed ,

    If we didn’t have alb , then I would get it more

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    On the plus side we appear to be developing in all area's aside form the loose forwards.

    Have depth in the front row and hooker.
    Locks which were a concern have been bolstered by Patty T (especially with his running) and Vaai has had good impact.
    Ratima has added depth at HB.
    BB and DMac look like quite a good dual playmaker option.
    ALB and Proctor adding depth in the midfield.
    Wings we have in abundance
    Perofeta has played well at FB (above my expectations honestly).

    Only real concern is the loose forward trio, Finau has been underwhelming and appears to emulate Reubean Thorne, plays a lot of minutes but you never see him doing anything, Papps has been great on defence but limited on attack. Savea has been Savea and Sititi of course has added impact (both positives but both are playing at 😎 but as a trio it just can't seem to fire. Blackadder looked terribly off the pace, grasping tackles as he was a step or two out of position and Jacobsen seemed to beat him to the ruck continually. I really wish Lakai had been given the oppertunty instead.

    Depth-wise I'm feeling more optimistic, game-plan wise not so sure. Exits, being outsmarted and out performed in the tactical kicking game and lack of go forward ball in the forwards have been key weaknesses for years and don't show much signs of improvement.

    It feels like were doing ok, and then well hit into a brick wall like SA or Ireland and it will all come crashing down.

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    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:

    On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.

    I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.

    Agree.

    There are not many options out there that are like DH if they are looking for that type of player, but there is one that stands out - Plummer.

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    See the repeated Hawk Tuahs on EB from the breakdown team? I’m surprised we could hear anything Marshall was saying.

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    They should pick Sotutu not because he's Pom eligible, but because he's more than good enough, and because he doesn't play exactly the same as Cane, Dalton and Jacobson. Adding Cane without dropping Jacobson would be dumb, and I don't know why you would choose Cane over Jacobson - he may be a hell of a guy but he's 5 years older, injury-plagued and close to retirement.
    The balance problem is vs big packs we have a small 8 so need a big 6, and we only have Finau. Playing any 2 of Cane/Jacobson/Dalton/Blackadder with Savea is a small loose trio, and (particularly if not Blackadder) it's a loose trio that lacks ball runners, when we have a front row that lacks ball runners too. Maybe Hoskins is a chance due to Finau not lighting it up, but unfortunately I doubt it.
    How long since Lord played?
    Havili would be a poor selection. Not because he's a bad player but because we already have ample injury cover in our side, meaning his utility value is severely diminished. He also plays 12 nothing like JB plays 12, so he's not a like-for-like injury replacement to keep the team pattern.
    Plummer would be a good idea because every side is going to target McKenzie, as he is both our most creative player and small. And if we lose him, we're in big trouble. That was the case before the initial selections too though, so they probably won't.

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    Anyone know when the Rugby Championship squad is announced?

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    @Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:

    It feels like were doing ok, and then well hit into a brick wall like SA or Ireland and it will all come crashing down.

    Or England in England. We have to get a lot better by the time we get over there or they'll grind us out at home. They'll be fresh, and we will be coming to the end of a long season.

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    @Canes4life This coming Saturday I believe

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    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:

    There are not many options out there that are like DH if they are looking for that type of player, but there is one that stands out - Plummer.

    I don't believe Plummer is a chance unless the coaches believe that BB and Perofeta are not options at 1st 5.

    As to Sotutu, it's hard to see any no.8, and a specialist in his case, getting much time on the field with Savea nailed on in that position. That also includes Sititi.

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    Adding Jordan is a no brainer. But the rest of the rumours make far less sense.

    Why add DH? A known and substandard quality who would only see game time in a calamity. So why not find a spot you think we are a touch thin and add a young fulla to evaluate in training as they learn the systems.

    Same thing in the forwards. I get the Sam Cane farewell tour even if i don't really agree with it. But where are we thin? Big 6s, and locks. So add 3 of those and see what you can build there. Alternatively, if Savea busts his achilles on the Monday before Boks away, are you happy with your squad replacements at #8? if not, then get someone else in there.

    Padding the squad with known quantities who won't get near the field is a waste of payroll.

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