All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@game_film said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Best available team for both Pumas games, both SA games and once the Bledisloe is secure. Then best available team for every match on Northern Tour. If someone is at 75%, sure give them a break. Need to go back to the only game that matters is the next one and pick the best team for it.
I think these next two tests are a perfect opportunity to find out what that “best” team is. My summary of the backs.
I reckon the selectors think that they could start any of Reece, Clark or MT in a tough test match. Not dissimilar to when Henry could play different combinations of Rok, Howlett, Sivi (and even Gear). Clark, Reece
Fullback remains a question mark. A state of flux, genuine transition or holding for Jordan? Jordan is an unknown at fullback at test level, but Razor likes him there at Super level. Beaudie js rocks and diamonds (but I’m a fan). Perofeta has a few caps now and has looked sharp-ish. Wide open
I think the midfield is Jordie and Ioane with ALB on the bench. But now that they have seen Proctor in a black jersey and also has a franchise combo with Jordie, they could make a change. Likewise if they wanted to ALB and Ioane have test experience together. Jordie, Ioane
Unlike the pendulum that was Barrett and Mo’unga, Rangi has DMac running the cutter and bar injury we should see him start most of not all tests. Beaudie provides an able backup but Insuspect we will see 80 minute DMac from here on in (ala peak Carter period). DMac
If ever there was an example of why young talented players should be played, our recent experience at halfback is case in point. This spot is wide open right now with Roigard’s absence. I don’t have any doubt in my mind that if he were fit for England 1 he would’ve started. Now with Perenara injured we got a chance to see Ratima make a difference. Christie brings a defensive game that would be appealing and is not unlike a young Perenara. But if he is first choice we would have to live with his attacking deficiencies. Something that we had to in previous years and halfbacks prior to Aaron Smith’s emergence in black. Not settled yet
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Christies defensive game is why he get picked for the big games. Defence wins trophys.
I was surprised though at just how much slower his passing was compared to both Ratima and Hotham which I think was a very significant reason why the 'finishers' had such a late game impact. The backs had more time and your pods can run onto the ball because you know its coming rather than waiting and then starting your run. (are getting it passed to where you are standing not in front of you).
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast. -
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Christies defensive game is why he get picked for the big games. Defence wins trophys.
I know right, the other halfbacks can't tackle to save themselves!!!
I was surprised though at just how much slower his passing was compared to both Ratima and Hotham.
Fuck me, have you been watching him for the last few years?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear
As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter
Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear
As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter
Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other
Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear
As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter
Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other
Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?
I'll repeat, fast enough
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Fuck me, have you been watching him for the last few years?
Well no, I live in the UK and dont have sky so have to rely a lot on youtube highlights
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear
As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter
Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other
Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?
I'll repeat, fast enough
The fuck? In the context of the original post, he's not fast. He'd be nigh on the slowest in the list. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear
As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter
Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other
Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?
I'll repeat, fast enough
The fuck? In the context of the original post, he's not fast. He'd be nigh on the slowest in the list. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Correct. Slowest on that last AND fast enough
Both things can be true at the same time
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear
As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter
Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other
Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?
I'll repeat, fast enough
The fuck? In the context of the original post, he's not fast. He'd be nigh on the slowest in the list. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Correct. Slowest on that last AND fast enough
Both things can be true at the same time
Ahh so you think Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast. Got it.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It's time to start Sititi and Proctor
and Clarke and Ratima...
Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one
He looked fast enough against England
Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear
As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter
Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other
Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?
I'll repeat, fast enough
The fuck? In the context of the original post, he's not fast. He'd be nigh on the slowest in the list. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Correct. Slowest on that last AND fast enough
Both things can be true at the same time
Ahh so you think Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast. Got it.
You're absolutely right mate, 5 thoroughbreds and 3 carthorses
Let's hope they don't get done for pace
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@MiketheSnow too late.
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I'd like to see some evidence in this test that this version of the ABs knows how to maul. After Ryan and co joined the ABs during Fozzie's reign mauling started to look like it was becoming a weapon, but this year we have yet to see much of it.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I'd like to see some evidence in this test that this version of the ABs knows how to maul. After Ryan and co joined the ABs during Fozzie's reign mauling started to look like it was becoming a weapon, but this year we have yet to see much of it.
Gotta win the line out first...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I'd like to see some evidence in this test that this version of the ABs knows how to maul. After Ryan and co joined the ABs during Fozzie's reign mauling started to look like it was becoming a weapon, but this year we have yet to see much of it.
Gotta win the line out first...
True
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@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Christies defensive game is why he get picked for the big games. Defence wins trophys.
I was surprised though at just how much slower his passing was compared to both Ratima and Hotham which I think was a very significant reason why the 'finishers' had such a late game impact. The backs had more time and your pods can run onto the ball because you know its coming rather than waiting and then starting your run. (are getting it passed to where you are standing not in front of you).
Against a rush defense, Christie's slow delivery hampers considerably the backs attacking possibilities. Defense may win trophies yes, but Ratima isn't bad in defensive situations, and his kicking is top notch too. I am not sold on Hotham's defense though.
