50 Years of Star Trek - RIP



  • “Rag” moves at a good clip, staying focused entirely on the stories of Picard and his crew and their visit to Freecloud; no distracting, pointless side-trips to check in on Soji and the V.C. Andrews Assassins.

    Shame about the crappy Whedon female character though.



  • @Tim said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    “Rag” moves at a good clip, staying focused entirely on the stories of Picard and his crew and their visit to Freecloud; no distracting, pointless side-trips to check in on Soji and the V.C. Andrews Assassins.

    Shame about the crappy Whedon female character though.

    The blonde scientist? Yeah, annoying.



  • @Kirwan Yup.



  • @Tim did you think the villain looked distractingly like Deanna Troi?



  • @Tim Did you watch the latest RedLetterMedia Picard video.

    They have a pretty disturbing take on one of the scenes, about the original actor of the character killed for parts. Pretty sick by the writers, IMO.



  • @Kirwan Yeah I did. I was thinking at the time: this is some fucked up shit to put into something that kids might watch.



  • @Tim said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Kirwan Yeah I did. I was thinking at the time: this is some fucked up shit to put into something that kids might watch.

    Completely unnecessary for Star Trek, even Battlestar Galatica didn't show Tigh losing his eye, and that show was pretty grim.



  • Sounds like season 4 & 5 of STD are being filmed back to back.

    Three more seasons.

    Hope it gets better.



  • Im just wondering though, this is a nostalgia show. Are kids watching this shit?

    I have a ton of kids in my extended family. Anime nerds & manga nerds. Star Wars geeks and Marvel freaks.

    All at worrying levels of fandom. I mean they are so in the know for young kids its not the normal passing interest. None of them care about star trek.



  • @raznomore said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    Im just wondering though, this is a nostalgia show. Are kids watching this shit?

    I have a ton of kids in my extended family. Anime nerds & manga nerds. Star Wars geeks and Marvel freaks.

    All at worrying levels of fandom. I mean they are so in the know for young kids its not the normal passing interest. None of them care about star trek.

    Well I was going to see (if it was any good) getting my 12 year old to watch with me. He does not need to see gore porn like that.

    Didn’t even occur to me that Picard would have that sort of violence.

    And yep, my son watched most of the Marvel and freaking loved the Mandalorian.



  • @raznomore This is the only forum or subreddit I frequent where I've seen it discussed. I haven't met anyone else in real life who's interested in it, and I'm a STEM academic.



  • @Tim said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @raznomore This is the only forum or subreddit I frequent where I've seen it discussed. I haven't met anyone else in real life who's interested in it, and I'm a STEM academic.

    It’s the perfect time in the culture for a show about optimism and working together. The TOS tackled some pretty weighty topics without sacrificing the quality of the show.



  • Finally, a Picard Episode that felt like Star Trek. Nice seeing the dynamic between characters, and them actually acting like their old characters.





  • @Tim thanks forgot about this. Be interesting to see what they thought, it’s felt much closer to old Trek in the last few episodes. Stuff actually happened.



  • So, not so much!

    I've settled into enjoying it for what it is. I kind of agree that the characters don't match the TV Show. Not far from the movies though, which is where the disconnect is I think.



  • Picard is OK - can see how he could have evolved into how he is portrayed, but why does every other "new" character have to be dick?



  • @dogmeat said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    Picard is OK - can see how he could have evolved into how he is portrayed, but why does every other "new" character have to be dick?

    Yeah, that's getting old. I actually liked the Romulan caretakers from the beginning, not sure why we needed so many new characters when you could have just started with those two.

    I think the main point, which is fair, is that Picard was not overly fond of Data. Sure that could have changed with the sacrifice over time, but it is kind of weird. And Picard hated children! Why would he be reading bed time stories to the Ninja?

    Anyway, I like space opera TV, and there is less crying than Discovery. And 7 of 9 is a favorite of mine.



  • Old men either get curmudgeonly or sentimental - they seem to be trying to make Picard both - I love you too Raffi....

    C'mon no way.



  • @dogmeat said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    Old men either get curmudgeonly or sentimental - they seem to be trying to make Picard both - I love you too Raffi....

    C'mon no way.

    Yeah, that scene was going great when he looked extremely uncomfortable, then they bailed on it.



  • Watched the finale of Picard. What the actual fuck.



  • @Kirwan can you tell us what happened in a spoiler cover? I don't watch but am curious now after your reaction?



  • @Hooroo here you go



  • @Kirwan said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Hooroo here you go

    Cheers mate! I can feel your agitation!!!



  • @Hooroo sucked so many lemons.

    The worst thing is these lazy fluffybunnies stole the main plot from a well known video game.



  • @Kirwan Once I saw the 8th episode, and the video game plot reveal, I decided that was enough for me. Guess they were always going to mess up the potential series they had.



  • @Tim said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Kirwan Once I saw the 8th episode, and the video game plot reveal, I decided that was enough for me. Guess they were always going to mess up the potential series they had.

    You just know they will never mention the android thing again.

    I see they have hired a genuine Trek fan as a writer next year. I can live in hope of a soft reboot to clean it up.



  • @Kirwan said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Tim said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Kirwan Once I saw the 8th episode, and the video game plot reveal, I decided that was enough for me. Guess they were always going to mess up the potential series they had.

    You just know they will never mention the android thing again.

    I see they have hired a genuine Trek fan as a writer next year. I can live in hope of a soft reboot to clean it up.

    Marc Bernardin?



  • @Nepia that’s the one.

    He’s a little in the virtue signalling side, but has great story ideas. In the Kevin Smith podcast his critics of plot and focus on characters development and motivation has me optimistic. Assuming he gets listened to.



  • @Kirwan said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Nepia that’s the one.

    He’s a little in the virtue signalling side, but has great story ideas. In the Kevin Smith podcast his critics of plot and focus on characters development and motivation has me optimistic. Assuming he gets listened to.

    Hahaha, I was going to mention he could be a little too (inset words here that aren’t fucking loaded like virtue signalling) for you. He’s great on that podcast as a balance to Smiths positivity.



  • @Nepia said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Kirwan said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Nepia that’s the one.

    He’s a little in the virtue signalling side, but has great story ideas. In the Kevin Smith podcast his critics of plot and focus on characters development and motivation has me optimistic. Assuming he gets listened to.

    Hahaha, I was going to mention he could be a little too (inset words here that aren’t fucking loaded like virtue signalling) for you. He’s great on that podcast as a balance to Smiths positivity.

    I don’t mind people having that world view, Original Star Trek was full of that sort of thing. The key is to tell good stories with it, and three dimensional characters.

    Start Trek is also not a dumb action series. The reason why it’s lasted so long is it’s positive view of the future. Adding back things like poverty in a world with replicator technology shows a complete lack of understanding of the show.



  • @Kirwan said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Nepia said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Kirwan said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    @Nepia that’s the one.

    He’s a little in the virtue signalling side, but has great story ideas. In the Kevin Smith podcast his critics of plot and focus on characters development and motivation has me optimistic. Assuming he gets listened to.

    Hahaha, I was going to mention he could be a little too (inset words here that aren’t fucking loaded like virtue signalling) for you. He’s great on that podcast as a balance to Smiths positivity.

    I don’t mind people having that world view, Original Star Trek was full of that sort of thing. The key is to tell good stories with it, and three dimensional characters.

    Start Trek is also not a dumb action series. The reason why it’s lasted so long is it’s positive view of the future. Adding back things like poverty in a world with replicator technology shows a complete lack of understanding of the show.

    Yeah, that's always been my thought. I'm not a Trek fan enough to get upset by a change to action. I love the original but never got into any of the other series deeply so I probably like Discovery more than most. But I can understand why big trekkies would.

    I wont see Picard unless it comes to Netflix so can't judge it until then.

    I assume you've heard Bernadin discussing when he worked/interned at ST-NG back in the 80s?

    On the replicator technology (from a haven't seen the show perspective so could be 100% off base) could it be written the tech is available but it's prohibitively expensive due to patents (like with some medicines etc)?



  • Yeah, heard the last podcast.

    The point of Star Trek is we are past racism, sexism and energy dependence. So no poverty and everyone has a chance to reach their pull potential.

    The conflict came from interaction with other races or planets that were as evolved or civilised and the crew having to work to get her and use critical thinking or science to solve a problem.

    In this last episode there was basically a magic tool that can fix anything powered by thought. It’s insulting.



  • @Kirwan said in 50 Years of Star Trek - RIP:

    Yeah, heard the last podcast.

    He's spoken about it in depth on an older podcast, but I can't remember which one sorry.



  • @Nepia I’ll have a search, thanks.


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