Aussie Pro Rugby
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
So not great in todays quick gratification society
Thinking on this further: the number of rugby fans here who pooh-pooh AFL and League as sports are missing the point.
What can we learn from them? It is pretty fucking clear we need a national competition but there are so many political forces holding that back.
Premier Rugby in Sydney is one of the major obstacles to itself and the broader game.
Schools Rugby in NSW is a disjointed, disruptive scourge that basically destroys the continuity of participation here.How do you address that when they are powers unto themselves?
There was that article on the new boss of Sky talking about fan engagement outside the playing field. Rugby completely and utterly lacks anything like that here.
Club finals are done in Sydney for Premier Rugby. Suburban Rugby finishes on 17/09. Once that happens, Sydney is a rugby-free zone. There will be Bledisloe Tests and that's it.
That worked back in the day where everyone played cricket in the summer and we all clicked the channel changer over to Channel Nine for a bit of Richie and the crew. Now we need a global, year-round game where things take a break for a few weeks at Christmas before launching into January pre-season excitement.
I despair.
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@antipodean pretty sure you mercilessly derided me for suggesting we should have our own comp with, you know, more teams...
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@Derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean pretty sure you mercilessly derided me for suggesting we should have our own comp with, you know, more teams...
Pretty sure none of what you mentioned was discussed in the post you just responded to.
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@antipodean 'not enough games or tribalism' - sorry I needed to explicitly connect the dots for you.
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@pakman 4.5 billion over 7 years. Vs 100 million over 3 years. I guess it shows the potential for rugby but shows how poorly rugby has done. Super rugby was brilliant when it first kicked off but is disappointing now. Unsure what can be done.
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@Derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean 'not enough games or tribalism' - sorry I needed to explicitly connect the dots for you.
Try not connecting to the imaginary dot where I advocated for additional SR teams.
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@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
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@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
If I were Oz Rugby I’d ask myself what could be copied and see the next AFL renewal as its deadline to aim improvements at.
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@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
If I were Oz Rugby I’d ask myself what could be copied and see the next AFL renewal as its deadline to aim improvements at.
Perhaps RA could review their last SWOT analysis...
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
If I were Oz Rugby I’d ask myself what could be copied and see the next AFL renewal as its deadline to aim improvements at.
Perhaps RA could review their last SWOT analysis...
Correct format for RA is sWot
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just this morning i was reminded how much of an hill slog rugby has in vic at least
in the rugby comp we have two comps of 8 clubs, not sure about the "premiership" but in the dewarshief comp and struggle to field three full teams
one of the guys at work was just explaining there are 5 semi professional (get a match fee) comps in metro melbourne...each with several teams and grades...thee are then 7 amature comps including regional vic....there could be a over a hundred clubs....and loads of those are actually paying guys to play...thats fucking mad
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Great weekend in the nation's capital. FInals weekend so popped on down to Viking Park to have a look. John I Dent Cup grand final was between Queanbeyan Whites and Canberra Royals with the Whites dominating to win 29-16. Not a bad effort to come from wooden spoon three years before to win their first title in over a decade. Nice game to watch too; abrasive defence, good tactical kicking and strong set piece.
Second grade went to Tuggeranong Vikings which was nice as a couple of mates had their sons playing in that final.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
one of the guys at work was just explaining there are 5 semi professional (get a match fee) comps in metro melbourne...each with several teams and grades...thee are then 7 amature comps including regional vic....there could be a over a hundred clubs....and loads of those are actually paying guys to play...thats fucking mad
That's how Subbies was a few years back here in Sydney - back then you had 5-6 DIvisions, 10 clubs in each, and money at about half of them.
Since it was made amateur, and with all the other troubles rugby has, we're down to ~5 Divs with 8 clubs each, and that will erode further.
However, it is worth pointing out that league is hardly on an upward trajectory either.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
one of the guys at work was just explaining there are 5 semi professional (get a match fee) comps in metro melbourne...each with several teams and grades...thee are then 7 amature comps including regional vic....there could be a over a hundred clubs....and loads of those are actually paying guys to play...thats fucking mad
That's how Subbies was a few years back here in Sydney - back then you had 5-6 DIvisions, 10 clubs in each, and money at about half of them.
Since it was made amateur, and with all the other troubles rugby has, we're down to ~5 Divs with 8 clubs each, and that will erode further.
However, it is worth pointing out that league is hardly on an upward trajectory either.
Fucking Colleagues 5th Grade never paid me anything, jibbed!!!
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@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
So not great in todays quick gratification society
Thinking on this further: the number of rugby fans here who pooh-pooh AFL and League as sports are missing the point.
What can we learn from them? It is pretty fucking clear we need a national competition but there are so many political forces holding that back.
Premier Rugby in Sydney is one of the major obstacles to itself and the broader game.
Schools Rugby in NSW is a disjointed, disruptive scourge that basically destroys the continuity of participation here.How do you address that when they are powers unto themselves?
There was that article on the new boss of Sky talking about fan engagement outside the playing field. Rugby completely and utterly lacks anything like that here.
Club finals are done in Sydney for Premier Rugby. Suburban Rugby finishes on 17/09. Once that happens, Sydney is a rugby-free zone. There will be Bledisloe Tests and that's it.
That worked back in the day where everyone played cricket in the summer and we all clicked the channel changer over to Channel Nine for a bit of Richie and the crew. Now we need a global, year-round game where things take a break for a few weeks at Christmas before launching into January pre-season excitement.
I despair.
damn...went to read it out of curiosity...that page is unreadable, the circled bit is the actual article
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the AFL has 9 games a weekend across 23 weeks played in every major centre to massive crowds
throw in more media content, coaching sagas, a draft, and really invested fans, it's worth a fuck ton more than rugby every will be. comparisons in value are pointless.
