AB squad for the EOYT
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the EOYT:
Todd will only go if there is an injury cloud over Cane.
For me Dixon goes because they probably see him as that emergency 7 option that also plays 6 and 8.
I'd be pretty surprised if Squire doesn't go. Not only that I think he will feature quite a bit.
I know there's many keen to get Akira in there, but for what role?
I do like the prospect of his brother on the wing though. I don't think he's a natural midfielder and he's yet to develop into one.
What's the go with the locks. Tuipoluto and Romano were sparingly used but are both highly regarded by the selectors. Neither have the engines of the top two, but I'm not sure if there are any other locks running around that would be better than PT and LR at this point.
Dominic Bird has been massive all year, both for the Chiefs and Canterbury. I don't really get why he wasn't in the squad in the first place, but I doubt this will be one of the few changes they'll make for the EOYT.
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@Stargazer said in AB squad for the EOYT:
@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the EOYT:
Todd will only go if there is an injury cloud over Cane.
For me Dixon goes because they probably see him as that emergency 7 option that also plays 6 and 8.
I'd be pretty surprised if Squire doesn't go. Not only that I think he will feature quite a bit.
I know there's many keen to get Akira in there, but for what role?
I do like the prospect of his brother on the wing though. I don't think he's a natural midfielder and he's yet to develop into one.
What's the go with the locks. Tuipoluto and Romano were sparingly used but are both highly regarded by the selectors. Neither have the engines of the top two, but I'm not sure if there are any other locks running around that would be better than PT and LR at this point.
Dominic Bird has been massive all year, both for the Chiefs and Canterbury. I don't really get why he wasn't in the squad in the first place, but I doubt this will be one of the few changes they'll make for the EOYT.
well who would he replace? The coaches seem to really like Romano, PT is a player on the up, so am guessing just unlucky to be sitting behind them, who are stuck behind Whitelock and BBBR...plus he should be behind any Hurricane lock as they deserve a quota according to Winger.
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It worked, dammit.
@reprobate is on my list now too, and @Hooroo for being a smartass.
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@taniwharugby I'd say it would have to be PT as he's no from Canterbury.
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@Bones said in AB squad for the EOYT:
@taniwharugby I'd say it would have to be PT as he's no from Canterbury.
Exactly
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My bolter is Jordie Barrett. Covers 10/12/15/wing/lock.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the EOYT:
My bolter is Jordie Barrett. Covers 10/12/15/wing/lock.
Select him for the EOYT. Then never again after he starts playing for the canes. Watch winger go postal.
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@reprobate Rieko might yet go as an apprentice like Ardie did a few years back, but he's a better chance than his brother due to the competition at loose forward.
I think Todd is the only player from Arg/SA squad that misses out as he is an injury replacement for Cane.
Hames as the 6th prop.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the EOYT:
Todd will only go if there is an injury cloud over Cane.
For me Dixon goes because they probably see him as that emergency 7 option that also plays 6 and 8.
I'd be pretty surprised if Squire doesn't go. Not only that I think he will feature quite a bit.
I know there's many keen to get Akira in there, but for what role?
I do like the prospect of his brother on the wing though. I don't think he's a natural midfielder and he's yet to develop into one.
What's the go with the locks. Tuipoluto and Romano were sparingly used but are both highly regarded by the selectors. Neither have the engines of the top two, but I'm not sure if there are any other locks running around that would be better than PT and LR at this point.
Are they taking any development type players who wont feature in games ?
I remember they did
Yeah I think with Akira, it would depend on whether they see him as a future player that isnt going to get alot of game time now, but is worth putting some time into now for development , for later
I remember a couple of years back, they took away Ardie , who didnt feature again for a while.
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@Stargazer Dom Bird either starts or doesn't play at all as he wouldn't bring anything near what Pat or even Romano would bring off the bench and he's nowhere near a starting spot so yeah he'll have to wait for an injury or 10 before being considered.
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@kiwiinmelb said in AB squad for the EOYT:
idYeah I think with Akira, it would depend on whether they see him as a future player that isnt going to get alot of game time now, but is worth putting some time into now for development , for later
I remember a couple of years back, they took away Ardie , who didnt feature again for a while.
I think Akira is too old & has played too much Super to be a development pick, Rieko could go the way Ardie did, but if Akira goes he has to be a main pick
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@gollum said in AB squad for the EOYT:
@kiwiinmelb said in AB squad for the EOYT:
idYeah I think with Akira, it would depend on whether they see him as a future player that isnt going to get alot of game time now, but is worth putting some time into now for development , for later
I remember a couple of years back, they took away Ardie , who didnt feature again for a while.
I think Akira is too old & has played too much Super to be a development pick, Rieko could go the way Ardie did, but if Akira goes he has to be a main pick
Fair call , I think Ardie went after his first super rugby season and Akira has now played 2 seasons
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As someone mentioned, what about Riccitelli as an apprentice? Coles and Parsons are 33 come the next RWC (highly doubt Parsons will be in the mix at that point) Codie Taylor just isn't as good as Coles and Harris is plagued by injury. Riccitelli seems to have good traits, good pace, physical in contact, could progress in to a great modern hooker.
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I wouldn't bother taking Todd if Cane is right to play.
I think Akira Ioane needs to prove that he can play at a high level without failing the dickhead test by trying to start fights etc before being considered for higher honours. Especially when there is Luatua who is missing out.
Dixon should go because he has hardly had a chance. He will surely slot into 8 when/if Read has a rest.
Squire goes for me because he has played well and is the best backup for the Kaino role.
Don't think Bird will have moved past any of the locks and Hames is probably the next Prop of they are taking another.
Hooker they will probably go with Coltman or Parsons but time in the camp and a few minutes off the bench might help Riccatelli along. They may wait and see if he backs it up next year first though.Backs I would leave Seta at home. ALB has impressed, Moala needs some game time to show what he has got and Fekitoa has been around for a while so will get more chances. I would take R. Ioane as a right winger. B Smith and Dagg will be sharing 15 i would think so we will probably see a new 14 at some point. I guess giving Dmac time at 15 might reduce that need but i think Rieko would be worth a shot or Nanai for that matter.
Don't know where that leaves me for numbers but Im sure Hansen will work it out from my notes.
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@Sapetyvi said in AB squad for the EOYT:
As someone mentioned, what about Riccitelli as an apprentice? Coles and Parsons are 33 come the next RWC (highly doubt Parsons will be in the mix at that point) Codie Taylor just isn't as good as Coles and Harris is plagued by injury. Riccitelli seems to have good traits, good pace, physical in contact, could progress in to a great modern hooker.
Codie Taylor is on 25 so has plenty of time on his side to develop. I think they like his physicality, workrate and edge, just some of the other things of playing out wide that Coles does well to work on.
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See the media have run stories without saying much: Rieko seems a probable. Third hooker would seem likely to be Coltman or Parsons. Is there a sixth prop -- probably a LH?
But other than Rieko has anyone in particular put their hands up?
If not, we are left with the Todd/Nanai/Luatua extended squadee. And if one or more of these goes, who is left out?
Hard to see that there's going to be a bolter. -
With the talent bubbling under the surface, the relative ease of opposition and with a view to the Lions Tour and next RWC (not nearly as many new caps blooded this year as 2012) it wouldn't be a horrible time to leave a couple of campaigners at home if to do nothing but create space in match day 22's for the young guys.
But when you go down each candidate there aren't any perfect candidates.
Dagg already lost his spot and wouldn't give it up and had a good spell last year.
Kaino already had a spell a few years back and would be hesitant to give others a crack.
Read's first tour away as skip.
Coles probably needs the spell more than anyone but he is of a different vintage than those above - so less need to prepare for the future there.Ben Smith would be perhaps the most ideal candidate. Big workload this year, big workload the past 4 years without a break - but who wants to pick a team without Bender? Also VC.
Whitelock, Franks and Rettalick could do with a spell too - but that's one area where we don't have a bevvy of young options to try - just Patty T. So you can take them all but perhaps have them coming off the bench more than usual.
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@rotated Bird? Luatua too, I guess, as he can cover lock.
Though aside from when players go on sabbatical or are injured, when was the last time anyone was rested from the EOYT anyway? Marshall way back in 2004? I can't see them doing it now, at most they'll give the starters a one game rest.
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@Unco said in AB squad for the EOYT:
@rotated Bird? Luatua too, I guess, as he can cover lock.
Though aside from when players go on sabbatical or are injured, when was the last time anyone was rested from the EOYT anyway? Marshall way back in 2004? I can't see them doing it now, at most they'll give the starters a one game rest.
Agree, and that's usually the "easiest" test. So that would be Italy.
I also wonder what impact the simultaneous presence in Europe of the Maori All Blacks and many Kiwis in the Baabaas squad will have on the size and composition of the All Blacks squad, if any.
