AS v TJP
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@mariner4life I agree he is our best half back but just not at the moment. I would say to him forget this game come back next year in top form.
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My 2c.
AS is probably the best halfback I have ever seen. And I was a Sid Going devotee in 70s North Auckland and have serious man love for Dave Loveridge (my first ever Test was 2nd v Lions at Athtletic Park '83 ... second half into the gale OWNED by the Naki pig farmer).
But his head ain't right.
Give him a rest. Pray that Christmas gives him rest one way or another. Let him re-find his mojo come March.
In the meantime start TJP and give TKB time off the bench.
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@Stargazer said in AS v TJP:
@Kirwan I don't agree with the couple going with this story to the media, but if Smith hadn't been an idiot, they wouldn't have had anything to go to the media with. In the end, he is responsible for his own mess, not that couple.
Actually, they are responsible for the mess he is in.
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@Stargazer said in AS v TJP:
@Kirwan I don't agree with the couple going with this story to the media, but if Smith hadn't been an idiot, they wouldn't have had anything to go to the media with. In the end, he is responsible for his own mess, not that couple.
Actually, they are responsible for the mess he is in.
Did they force him to go into a disabled toilet with a woman who wasn't his partner?
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@Stargazer said in AS v TJP:
Did they force him to go into a disabled toilet with a woman who wasn't his partner?
Jeez, chill out. They just slipped into the bathroom for a private discussion
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11746172
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@Stargazer said in AS v TJP:
@Stargazer said in AS v TJP:
@Kirwan I don't agree with the couple going with this story to the media, but if Smith hadn't been an idiot, they wouldn't have had anything to go to the media with. In the end, he is responsible for his own mess, not that couple.
Actually, they are responsible for the mess he is in.
Did they force him to go into a disabled toilet with a woman who wasn't his partner?
No, but that was a private matter between Smith and woman. They crossed the line by recording it (creepy perverts) then instead of complaining to airport staff like a normal person might, they went to the press! Indefensible.
As I was concerned about at the time, the impact on Smith's form has been dramatic, and it's completely the pervert couple's fault.
Adults sometimes have sex (shock, horror!!), we don't live in Victorian times.
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@Kirwan I don't care about him having sex (although I do object to the cheating, but I agree that's a private matter). He was just incredibly stupid to have it in a disabled toilet at an airport, wearing his AB costume. If he hadn't been so stupid, there wouldn't have been any publicity.
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@Stargazer said in AS v TJP:
@Kirwan I don't care about him having sex (although I do object to the cheating, but I agree that's a private matter). He was just incredibly stupid to have it in a disabled toilet at an airport, wearing his AB costume. If he hadn't been so stupid, there wouldn't have been any publicity.
We almost agree, it's just that I don't think ANY of it is our business. It's certainly not worth being reported on in the media (it's not a story) and no matter where he was or what he was wearing, that couple had no right to record a private act.
It's interesting they don't want their names out there isn't it? It's almost like they want their privacy respected. Bloody hypocrites.
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@Stargazer and if the perverts weren't such utter creeps, there wouldn't have been any publicity.
Who does that??
I know stacks of people that have got amongst it in public places but I don't know of anyone that has filed it wothout them knowing.
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As I was concerned about at the time, the impact on Smith's form has been dramatic, and it's completely the pervert couple's fault.
Yes. Worst case he's a terrible boyfriend, very insensitive towards people needing to use the disabled toilet. His punishment for that has been complete humiliation, crying on national tv, leading the national news for months and even appearing on international news websites (I've had people ask me about it all the way on the other side of the world- on USA's East Coast, hardly rugby country)... not to mention ruining his international season. His partner has also been humiliated publicly. Completely disproportionate, and I blame that attention seeking, self righteous couple too.
EDIT: Stupid to do so while wearing the All Blacks kit, but still very disproportionate.
