Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5
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@Bones Yeah. He was already offside when Rici threw the ball. He was halfway there before the ball had crossed the 15m line.
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@antipodean I thought it was glaringly obvious and was surprised the ref didn't even flinch, nor the commentators mention it (it was Marshall I guess). Thought I'd missed something (like he was at halfback).
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Having read the thread I think the highlight is the variety of ways to spell Lealiifano.
JTA put himself in it for the card. There's absolutely no reason why he couldn't and shouldn't have aimed lower. There was a really easy way for him to not fall foul there and I can't understand people on here absolving players of blame. He sees a player getting tackled, he should probably realise he's going to drop and set himself to tackle lower, not aim at the shoulders of an already falling player.
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@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
Having read the thread I think the highlight is the variety of ways to spell Lealiifano.
JTA put himself in it for the card. There's absolutely no reason why he couldn't and shouldn't have aimed lower. There was a really easy way for him to not fall foul there and I can't understand people on here absolving players of blame. He sees a player getting tackled, he should probably realise he's going to drop and set himself to tackle lower, not aim at the shoulders of an already falling player.
Yep, a situation not unlike SBWs but with a less dangerous outcome.
You simply have to be far more careful now. If it is one on one then aim for the chest but if another tackler is involved that same height carries a lot of risk -
@antipodean said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones Yeah. He was already offside when Rici threw the ball. He was halfway there before the ball had crossed the 15m line.
So what. Please look at that law.
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@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean I thought it was glaringly obvious and was surprised the ref didn't even flinch, nor the commentators mention it (it was Marshall I guess). Thought I'd missed something (like he was at halfback).
Maybe they know the law (which you obviously don't).
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@Damo said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean I thought it was glaringly obvious and was surprised the ref didn't even flinch, nor the commentators mention it (it was Marshall I guess). Thought I'd missed something (like he was at halfback).
Maybe they know the law (which you obviously don't).
Obviously, hence I asked the question. Thanks for the enlightening reply. I was of the understanding you must remain 10m back from the lineout until it's over. So what have we missed?
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@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Damo said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean I thought it was glaringly obvious and was surprised the ref didn't even flinch, nor the commentators mention it (it was Marshall I guess). Thought I'd missed something (like he was at halfback).
Maybe they know the law (which you obviously don't).
Obviously, hence I asked the question. Thanks for the enlightening reply. I was of the understanding you must remain 10m back from the lineout until it's over. So what have we missed?
I assume @Damo is talking about this
(c) Long throw in. If the player who is throwing in throws the ball beyond the 15-metre line, a player of the same team may run forward to take the ball as soon as the ball leaves the hands of the player throwing in. If that player does so, opponents may also run forward. If a player runs forward to take a long throw in, and the ball is not thrown beyond the 15-metre line, this player is offside and must be penalised.
You are saying he was offside before the ball was thrown. I have looked at clips and couldn't find evidence of that as he is not in shot
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@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Damo said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean I thought it was glaringly obvious and was surprised the ref didn't even flinch, nor the commentators mention it (it was Marshall I guess). Thought I'd missed something (like he was at halfback).
Maybe they know the law (which you obviously don't).
Obviously, hence I asked the question. Thanks for the enlightening reply. I was of the understanding you must remain 10m back from the lineout until it's over. So what have we missed?
If the ball is thrown long, players not in the lineout can move up as soon as the ball leaves the throwers hands. They don't have to wait till the ball crosses the 15m line.
I don't want to be rude, but that's pretty elementary rugby 101. Surely?
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@Stargazer said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
IMO there was nothing wrong with Goosen's try. Throw was straight and not off-side. Perferct timing.
Freeze frame that and it was perfectly timed.
You could argue about where exactly 10 metres is but he was lined up with everyone else and on the refs judgement was adequately back. No one gets a tape measure out for the 10 metres and unless you are right on halfway you don't have field markings either. A clever team will line up at 9m for this move and get away with it. -
@Damo said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones Yeah. He was already offside when Rici threw the ball. He was halfway there before the ball had crossed the 15m line.
So what. Please look at that law.
I know the law and as I've explained he 'was already offside when Rici threw the ball'. What part of this is difficult for you to comprehend?
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Stargazer said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
IMO there was nothing wrong with Goosen's try. Throw was straight and not off-side. Perferct timing.
Freeze frame that and it was perfectly timed.
Barrett is back ~10m. When Rici throws the ball, Goosen is a good two metres in front of him.
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@Crucial said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@mimic said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@chimoaus said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
Who would want Cheikas job about now.
Cheika would love this. Gives him time to add 20 players to his squad and a month to build for the 4 Nations. hey have a head start on everyone.
True, but at the end of that month he will still name a team of 15 and have no idea who his bench is until they run out.
Go easy. It's always a tough decision on who the 24th man will be.
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@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean I thought it was glaringly obvious and was surprised the ref didn't even flinch, nor the commentators mention it (it was Marshall I guess). Thought I'd missed something (like he was at halfback).
Goosen was a mile offside. Perhaps Hometown thought he was still in Welly and reffing against the Saders.... 😎
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@Damo said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Damo said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean I thought it was glaringly obvious and was surprised the ref didn't even flinch, nor the commentators mention it (it was Marshall I guess). Thought I'd missed something (like he was at halfback).
Maybe they know the law (which you obviously don't).
Obviously, hence I asked the question. Thanks for the enlightening reply. I was of the understanding you must remain 10m back from the lineout until it's over. So what have we missed?
If the ball is thrown long, players not in the lineout can move up as soon as the ball leaves the throwers hands. They don't have to wait till the ball crosses the 15m line.
I don't want to be rude, but that's pretty elementary rugby 101. Surely?
Elementary rugby 101 perhaps, if you play rugby. But for some of us fat lazy fluffybunnies - actually, no, I wasn't personally aware of World Rugby Law 19.14(f).
I am now, and thanks - your condescension helped with that. -
@antipodean said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Damo said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones Yeah. He was already offside when Rici threw the ball. He was halfway there before the ball had crossed the 15m line.
So what. Please look at that law.
I know the law and as I've explained he 'was already offside when Rici threw the ball'. What part of this is difficult for you to comprehend?
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Stargazer said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
IMO there was nothing wrong with Goosen's try. Throw was straight and not off-side. Perferct timing.
Freeze frame that and it was perfectly timed.
Barrett is back ~10m. When Rici throws the ball, Goosen is a good two metres in front of him.
Perfectly timed in that it isn't clear and obvious in realtime to a ref nor clear and obvious to a TMO without super slo-mo and measuring.
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@Crucial It was C&O to a lot of people at the time.
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@Crucial said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Damo said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@antipodean said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Bones Yeah. He was already offside when Rici threw the ball. He was halfway there before the ball had crossed the 15m line.
So what. Please look at that law.
I know the law and as I've explained he 'was already offside when Rici threw the ball'. What part of this is difficult for you to comprehend?
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
@Stargazer said in Brumbies v Hurricanes - Ardie to 2nd 5:
IMO there was nothing wrong with Goosen's try. Throw was straight and not off-side. Perferct timing.
Freeze frame that and it was perfectly timed.
Barrett is back ~10m. When Rici throws the ball, Goosen is a good two metres in front of him.
Perfectly timed in that it isn't clear and obvious in realtime to a ref nor clear and obvious to a TMO without super slo-mo and measuring.
So do we assume this was a planned move or was it all Goosen?
