Vegas Shooting
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Las Vegas Strip shooter targeted aviation fuel tanks, source says
Las Vegas Review Journal
Las Vegas Strip mass murderer Stephen Paddock used his Mandalay Bay hotel room to spray massive aviation fuel tanks with bullets Sunday night, a knowledgeable source told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
The bullets left holes, but did not penetrate the two circular white tanks, sparing the nearby Route 91 Harvest country music festival from a potentially massive explosion, the source said Wednesday.
The tanks are roughly 1,100 feet from the concert site, where Paddock killed 58 people and wounded almost 500.
Within the past couple of days, construction crews repaired and painted the holes, and FBI agents inspected the tanks and took measurements of the line of fire from Mandalay Bay, the source said. [...]
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Rest easy fellas, the ferald have reached an even lower low than their previous low in trying to find the merest hint of a reference to NZ.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11929331
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A political street artist in Los Angeles has plastered fake ads all over bus stops. Kimmel has seen them, word is he'll address tonight.
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I really think banning bump stocks is a step in the right direction here
The National Rifle Association has broken its silence four days after the deadliest mass shooting in recent US history to call for “additional regulations” on bump-fire stocks, which the Las Vegas shooter used to turn his semi-automatic rifles into rapid-fire weapons.
Bump stocks sell out across US as ban looms after Las Vegas shooting.
FUBAR.
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274
The number of mass shootings (where four or more people are wounded or killed) in the US between January 1 and October 3. There were 383 in 2016 and 333 the year before, or roughly one a day.
Source: Gun Violence Archive1,523
Unintentional shootings in the US up to October 3 this year, compared with 2,200 last year.
Source: Gun Violence Archive25.2
The gun homicide rate in the US is 25.2 times higher than other high-income countries, while the total homicide rate is seven times higher.
Source: American Journal of Medicine49
Americans aged 15-24 are 49 times more likely to be the victim of gun-related murder than the same age group in other wealthy countries.
Source: American Journal of Medicine3.5
The rate of firearm homicide deaths per 100,000 Americans in 2014, down from 6.6 in 1993. However, the number of murders has increased in the past two years.
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention6.3
The firearm suicide rate in the US per 100,000 people. The rate is nearly double that of the next wealthy country — Finland on 3.3 suicides. Among high-income countries, the overall suicide rate is highest in South Korea at 31.5 per 100,000 people.
Source: American Journal of Medicine63.7%
The proportion of firearm deaths in the US that were suicides in 2014, according to government figures.
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention7
The number children killed with guns every day in the US, including unintentional shootings.
Source: Gun Violence Archive1
The number of gun deaths in Japan in 2015, the lowest in the developed world and compared with 13,500 in the US for the same year. Japan has strict gun control laws.
Source: Japan National Police AgencyFrom FT.com
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@infidel said in Vegas Shooting:
The number of gun deaths in Japan in 2015, the lowest in the developed world and compared with 13,500 in the US for the same year. Japan has strict gun control laws.
Source: Japan National Police AgencyI wonder what the number of gun deaths is for Japanese-Americans. (I'd be willing to wager it's really-really low.)
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BREAKING...
Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal
Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.
Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.
Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.
Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police have said that Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.
Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.
In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.
Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police implied in previously describing the timeline.
But on Monday, the timeline changed.
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Lots of bullshit flying around, and nobody seems to be saying why security and/or cops and/or FBI didn't get to that suite sooner...
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ISIS took responsibility; FBI dismissed it out-of-hand before ISIS even grabbed it; NYT ISIS expert says it's not implausible what ISIS says is accurate; by mid-week evidence is provided that shooter booked into hotel at least three days earlier than advertised by authorities; now we're learning original "hero" security guard story is dogshit. It's fuelling a million conspiracy theories by the minute.
Mandalay Bay needs to release the security video. Now.
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@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
@infidel said in Vegas Shooting:
The number of gun deaths in Japan in 2015, the lowest in the developed world and compared with 13,500 in the US for the same year. Japan has strict gun control laws.
Source: Japan National Police AgencyI wonder what the number of gun deaths is for Japanese-Americans. (I'd be willing to wager it's really-really low.)
So... racism?
Note - joke, I understand what you're suggesting (hopefully) - cultural differences.
But even then, it kinda proves a point...
If the difference is because of the gun laws - gun legislation is good and works (ah... duh).
If it's because of the culture - american "gun culture" is bad, and should be looked at (ah... duh). -
@kruse said in Vegas Shooting:
@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
@infidel said in Vegas Shooting:
The number of gun deaths in Japan in 2015, the lowest in the developed world and compared with 13,500 in the US for the same year. Japan has strict gun control laws.
Source: Japan National Police AgencyI wonder what the number of gun deaths is for Japanese-Americans. (I'd be willing to wager it's really-really low.)
So... racism?
Note - joke, I understand what you're suggesting (hopefully) - cultural differences.
But even then, it kinda proves a point...
If the difference is because of the gun laws - gun legislation is good and works (ah... duh).
If it's because of the culture - american "gun culture" is bad, and should be looked at (ah... duh).As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do
There was just one fatal shooting in the whole of 2015
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Sure, tough gun laws.
Maybe they don't have a 2nd Amendment in their Constitution. The Revolutionary War and Civil War are a part of American culture in a way that perhaps not precisely the same in Japan. I'll have to research Japan's "Frontier Thesis" when I get the chance.
One could also mention Japan's immigration and citizenship policy, but the government doesn't seem to like publicizing it. Japan is a very modern, tolerant, progressive nation, so I'd be very surprised if Japan doesn't have the world's most tolerant & progressive immigration policies and open borders.
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It's been 13 days, and they still can't straighten-out elementary facts.
Las Vegas police AGAIN change timeline of mass shooting
Sherriff:
“In the public space, the word ‘incompetence’ has been brought forward,” he said. “And I am absolutely offended with that characterization.”
Offended, certainly. Maybe 'cos it's more than a little bit accurate.
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Here are some "facts" that should be getting reported, and strangely aren't.
There are official reports of armed attackers -- "Active Shooter" -- reported at the Belaggio, Tropicana, and New York New York casinos in addition to Mandalay Bay. You can hear them on the police radio; in the transcriptions of those police calls, and in the police report. All casinos went into lockdown. A SWAT team was sent to NYNY. The police went to secure the perimeter at the Luxor.
Now, somebody (the shooter) might have called in all those false alarms before the real shooting started to cause a distraction and keep police preoccupied. Or, perhaps as likely, calls were coming in from all those casinos when people heard machine gun fire outside and the casinos went into lockdown and reported shootings to police. That can't be discounted. What we can know for certain is there was a lot of confusion.
Two things that complicate matters for the armchair sleuths and are really fueling a cottage industry of conspiracy theories:
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An anonymous tipster posted a message to 4Chan on Sept 10th that warned against an attack on a crowd in Las Vegas the following day (Sept 11 anniversary), and that if not then, sometime shortly thereafter and definitely Vegas.
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James Murren, the CEO of MGM (owner of Mandalay Bay) sold 85% of his shares, which is probably complete coincidence, but ... that's a remarkable amount of shares for any CEO of a major corporation to be dumping.
Anyway, this security "hero" guy -- Jesus Campos -- who is suddenly bailing out on every tv interview he agreed to give --looks like he's not registered as a security officer in the state of Nevada, and if these youtubers are to be believed Mandalay Bay security is (supposedly) leaking that nobody there knows the guy -- he's a ghost - there's no actual information about this guy on file.
Plenty of speculation that Campos is the real shooter -- and killed the accused Stephen "The Patsy" Paddock 'cos, well, dead men tell no tales.
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