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@pot-hale said in Revenue Sharing:
@booboo said in Revenue Sharing:
@pot-hale said in Revenue Sharing:
@booboo said in Revenue Sharing:
@pot-hale said in Revenue Sharing:
@booboo said in Revenue Sharing:
The quip about the "build a bigger stadium" was the somewhat dismissive response from Ritchie the last time this came up.
It was illogical and arrogant when applied to NZ. Given this is the same argument it's even more so to apply that to Samoa.
Let's put it this way. If you put on a concert as a promoter you own that concert, but you pay your performers. No performers = no concert. No concert = no profit.
I understand your impression about NZ fans thinking we're special. We are ... errr ... we do. But I really think the model is unfair.
Yes England will sell out Twickers and make millions of broadcast dollars no matter who they play. But will they be able to attract anyone if they don't front with a reasonable appearance fee? Is Samoa going to keep playing for $200K? Can they afford to? Again no opposition no revenue at all.
I maintain the current system is selfish and unsustainable. NZ is going into bat for sharing. Yes they'll be a primary beneficiary. But so will every other nation.
I maintain that if every other country gets on board the benefits are huge.
I do understand that it seems like English bashing, but you guys offer the most stark contrasts.
And I'm not hungover.
Think I covered everything ...
England is the outlier. Why would it make sense for the IRFU/sRUWRU to share AI revenue with the NZRU a union that has a greater income than them?
AI? Artificial Intelligence? Oh you mean the End of Year Tours ... I do find the fact that you buggers up north think you're the only hemisphere with seasons up there with the English forgetting other countries have rugby unions. It's a bug bear of mine ... but I digress ...
Back on topic:
Because they would share revenue on outbound tours.You must be blissfully unaware of Spring Tours in your part of the world then.....
No. I'm aware we play you in June ... which is fucking winter down this way. We play you bastards in Spring when we play in November.
I'll try and deal with the rest in the a.m.
Yes - I was pointing out that the AIs are referred to as Spring tours by SH media and fans. Same difference. Hence, your mini-bleat about me referencing Autumn Internationals "I do find the fact that you buggers up north think you're the only hemisphere with seasons up there" is somewhat mis-directed. Sniff.
I know we've veered off topic but I've NEVER heard them referred to as Spring tours.
The pretty universal term is EoYT or November internationals.
Sniff
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@booboo said in Revenue Sharing:
@pot-hale said in Revenue Sharing:
@booboo said in Revenue Sharing:
@pot-hale said in Revenue Sharing:
@booboo said in Revenue Sharing:
@pot-hale said in Revenue Sharing:
@booboo said in Revenue Sharing:
The quip about the "build a bigger stadium" was the somewhat dismissive response from Ritchie the last time this came up.
It was illogical and arrogant when applied to NZ. Given this is the same argument it's even more so to apply that to Samoa.
Let's put it this way. If you put on a concert as a promoter you own that concert, but you pay your performers. No performers = no concert. No concert = no profit.
I understand your impression about NZ fans thinking we're special. We are ... errr ... we do. But I really think the model is unfair.
Yes England will sell out Twickers and make millions of broadcast dollars no matter who they play. But will they be able to attract anyone if they don't front with a reasonable appearance fee? Is Samoa going to keep playing for $200K? Can they afford to? Again no opposition no revenue at all.
I maintain the current system is selfish and unsustainable. NZ is going into bat for sharing. Yes they'll be a primary beneficiary. But so will every other nation.
I maintain that if every other country gets on board the benefits are huge.
I do understand that it seems like English bashing, but you guys offer the most stark contrasts.
And I'm not hungover.
Think I covered everything ...
England is the outlier. Why would it make sense for the IRFU/sRUWRU to share AI revenue with the NZRU a union that has a greater income than them?
AI? Artificial Intelligence? Oh you mean the End of Year Tours ... I do find the fact that you buggers up north think you're the only hemisphere with seasons up there with the English forgetting other countries have rugby unions. It's a bug bear of mine ... but I digress ...
Back on topic:
Because they would share revenue on outbound tours.You must be blissfully unaware of Spring Tours in your part of the world then.....
No. I'm aware we play you in June ... which is fucking winter down this way. We play you bastards in Spring when we play in November.
I'll try and deal with the rest in the a.m.
Yes - I was pointing out that the AIs are referred to as Spring tours by SH media and fans. Same difference. Hence, your mini-bleat about me referencing Autumn Internationals "I do find the fact that you buggers up north think you're the only hemisphere with seasons up there" is somewhat mis-directed. Sniff.
I know we've veered off topic but I've NEVER heard them referred to as Spring tours.
The pretty universal term is EoYT or November internationals.
Sniff
I sniffed first. You can't sniff back - that's not in the rules.....
Talks to some Aussie fans and see if they say the same.
I see what you mean by EoYT and November Internationals being universal though:"Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt has included Connacht's newly Irish-qualified centre Bundee Aki, while dropping Simon Zebo for autumn internationals against Argentina, Fiji and South Africa.
Joe Schmidt's Ireland squad for autumn series - the major talking points
Ireland squad talking points
We look at the major talking points from Joe Schmidt's 2017 autumn internationals Ireland squad.New Zealand-born centre Bundee Aki has won his first Ireland call-up for the Autumn internationals, after completing his residency qualification.
Simmonds, who will turn 23 before the first autumn international against Argentina on 11 November.
England Autumn Internationals 2017 Rugby Fixtures
England won all three matches in the 2017 'Old Mutual Wealth Series'. After a sluggish start against Argentina in the opening match, England ran up a big score against old foes Australia in the second match...
Exeter back-row Sam Simmonds has received his first England call-up, but experienced flanker James Haskell has been left out of Eddie Jones' 34-man squad for the autumn internationals.
Should I stop now?
Triple sniff.
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Just throwing some random facts out there:
Wikipedia calls them End-of-Year rugby union internationals
"The End of year rugby union tests, known as Autumn internationals in the Northern Hemisphere, ..."
The number of results returned by Google also supports "EOYT", although I'm surprised by that (would have thought the much larger number of shitty rags in the Home Nations would have swayed this)
"Autumn Internationals" 1,570 (and a lot of these refer to sooker)
"November Internationals" 60,300
"EOYT" 357,000And with all that in mind, when I started looking for tickets, I searched for "Autumn Internationals". Been living in this dark damp shithole for too long.
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Tried google for 'Spring Tour' and only really found the small handful of Australian reports already mentioned being reused elsewhere. Could even be from one person.
The ABC (who presumably write their own stuff rather than reprint) refer to the end-of-season tour.Of course no one in the SH would refer to them as the AIs
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@kruse said in Revenue Sharing:
Just throwing some random facts out there:
Wikipedia calls them End-of-Year rugby union internationals
"The End of year rugby union tests, known as Autumn internationals in the Northern Hemisphere, ..."
The number of results returned by Google also supports "EOYT", although I'm surprised by that (would have thought the much larger number of shitty rags in the Home Nations would have swayed this)
"Autumn Internationals" 1,570 (and a lot of these refer to sooker)
"November Internationals" 60,300
"EOYT" 357,000And with all that in mind, when I started looking for tickets, I searched for "Autumn Internationals". Been living in this dark damp shithole for too long.
Lower Hutt?
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@crucial said in Revenue Sharing:
Tried google for 'Spring Tour' and only really found the small handful of Australian reports already mentioned being reused elsewhere. Could even be from one person.
The ABC (who presumably write their own stuff rather than reprint) refer to the end-of-season tour.Of course no one in the SH would refer to them as the AIs
Are they referred to as the EOYTs because it is near the end of the actual calendar year or because it is the near end of the rugby season?
We tend to call them the Autumn Internationals because it is Autumn.
Up here.
Where the tests are held.
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@crucial said in Revenue Sharing:
Tried google for 'Spring Tour' and only really found the small handful of Australian reports already mentioned being reused elsewhere. Could even be from one person.
The ABC (who presumably write their own stuff rather than reprint) refer to the end-of-season tour.Of course no one in the SH would refer to them as the AIs
Are they referred to as the EOYTs because it is near the end of the actual calendar year or because it is the near end of the rugby season?
We tend to call them the Autumn Internationals because it is Autumn.
Up here.
Where the tests are held.
Where we get to keep all the money.And look on in jealous awe at the surplus of openside flankers on display...
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@kruse said in Revenue Sharing:
Just throwing some random facts out there:
Wikipedia calls them End-of-Year rugby union internationals
"The End of year rugby union tests, known as Autumn internationals in the Northern Hemisphere, ..."
The number of results returned by Google also supports "EOYT", although I'm surprised by that (would have thought the much larger number of shitty rags in the Home Nations would have swayed this)
"Autumn Internationals" 1,570 (and a lot of these refer to sooker)
"November Internationals" 60,300
"EOYT" 357,000And with all that in mind, when I started looking for tickets, I searched for "Autumn Internationals". Been living in this dark damp shithole for too long.
Lower Hutt?
You got the first two letters right.
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@kruse said in Revenue Sharing:
@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@kruse said in Revenue Sharing:
Just throwing some random facts out there:
Wikipedia calls them End-of-Year rugby union internationals
"The End of year rugby union tests, known as Autumn internationals in the Northern Hemisphere, ..."
The number of results returned by Google also supports "EOYT", although I'm surprised by that (would have thought the much larger number of shitty rags in the Home Nations would have swayed this)
"Autumn Internationals" 1,570 (and a lot of these refer to sooker)
"November Internationals" 60,300
"EOYT" 357,000And with all that in mind, when I started looking for tickets, I searched for "Autumn Internationals". Been living in this dark damp shithole for too long.
Lower Hutt?
You got the first two letters right.
Lower Humility?
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@crucial said in Revenue Sharing:
Tried google for 'Spring Tour' and only really found the small handful of Australian reports already mentioned being reused elsewhere. Could even be from one person.
The ABC (who presumably write their own stuff rather than reprint) refer to the end-of-season tour.Of course no one in the SH would refer to them as the AIs
Maybe that one person works in the Australian Rugby Union....
Or maybe it’s Nathan Grey:
“Since Michael's taken over the team at the start of 2014 Spring Tour, the team's been through a lot in terms of both success and not achieving what we want to achieve through the spring tour 2014 into 2015,” he said.BEIN Sports?
“Watch every match of New Zealand's Spring Tour EXCLUSIVELY LIVE on beIN SPORTS, as the All Blacks look to bounce back from their shock Bledisloe Cup loss to the Wallabies.” -
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It seems:
Brits of all flavours follow the English "we're the centre of the world" naming standard of "Autumn Internationals", or "Autumn Series" to be just that little bit different
Australians, being the contrary idiots they are, decided to call it a "Spring Tour"
South Africans, still stoked to be allowed outside, call it the "Outgoing Tour"
New Zealanders, being inherently sensible, use End-of-Year-Tour for us, or for more general use: End-of-Year-Tests/Internationals - the only term which would/should make sense to everybody
(Except officially - where apparently the All Blacks call it the Vista Northern Tour - having apparently sold worthless naming rights?) -
@kruse If you look where the meridian is you will see that we ARE the centre of the world.
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@kruse If you look where the meridian is you will see that we ARE the centre of the world.
I nearly included a snide comment about GMT
China may have you beat, considering their country's name, in Mandarin, could be translated to "centre of the world".
Which reminds me of an anecdote relevant to the aussie-idiot-bashing/baiting... of when I lived in China, and an Australian had just learnt that the Mandarin word for China wasn't "China".
"But, but... what do you mean, what else would they call it? We call Australia - "Australia"".
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@kruse If you look where the meridian is you will see that we ARE the centre of the world.
Umm, no. You are on one of the axes because you put yourself there. By your logic the centre of the world is in the Gulf of Guinea
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@crucial said in Revenue Sharing:
@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@kruse If you look where the meridian is you will see that we ARE the centre of the world.
Umm, no. You are on one of the axes because you put yourself there. By your logic the centre of the world is in the Gulf of Guinea
Now don't go trying to bring logic into it. We decided all those years ago just where time itself would start, which was enough. Logic may have slipped a bit but were were very busy at the time painting large proportions of the world map pink.
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@kruse said in Revenue Sharing:
It seems:
Brits of all flavours follow the English "we're the centre of the world" naming standard of "Autumn Internationals", or "Autumn Series" to be just that little bit different
Australians, being the contrary idiots they are, decided to call it a "Spring Tour"
South Africans, still stoked to be allowed outside, call it the "Outgoing Tour"
New Zealanders, being inherently sensible, use End-of-Year-Tour for us, or for more general use: End-of-Year-Tests/Internationals - the only term which would/should make sense to everybody
(Except officially - where apparently the All Blacks call it the Vista Northern Tour - having apparently sold worthless naming rights?)Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Wait a second.
Stop the world.
Let me get this straight.
Did You Just Call Me A Brit?????
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@pot-hale Welcome to the club of perceived ultimate privilege. It’s all downhill for you now mate.
Scotland confirm Murrayfield rematch with Wallabies
