AB Positions up for grabs
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AB Squad to be named a week earlier this year:
Rather than wait until after the final round of Super Rugby on May 25-27, prior to the competition going to hiatus for the June test window, the national selectors will take the unusual step of naming a 32-man All Blacks squad prior to the two three-day "preparation" camps on May 20-22 and May 27-29. The All Blacks play France in three tests in June.
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@stargazer said in AB Positions up for grabs:
haha. Transalation "I only stick to my principles when we have options"
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@bones said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer yeah I struggle to see just how an injury to a nobody in All Black terms is a very severe blow. In any case, I haven't seen anything from Hodgman to get excited about like cgrant and a couple of others. What is it people see in him?
Good workrate, excellent at moving bodies in the rucks, probably a good lifter in the LO as he is tall. Not flashy in the loose but works hard in the tight. Concerns about his scrummaging at the highest level though. Is certainly behind Moody and Hames in the pecking order but could have competed with Perry as a third option.
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I think we could be struggling for a back up 10.
If you look at the 5 starting franchise 10s, you have Beauden(Canes), Lima ( Highlanders), Gatland/Perofeta (Blues), Richie ( Crusaders) and Mckenzie/Falcon
If McKenzie isn’t playing 10 for the chiefs then he can’t really count as a genuine option.
Richie could be injured for most of the season before the June series.
So Hansen could be left with picking out of Falcon, Gatland, Perofeta or Hunt for third 10 -
@footy01 said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I think we could be struggling for a back up 10.
If you look at the 5 starting franchise 10s, you have Beauden(Canes), Lima ( Highlanders), Gatland/Perofeta (Blues), Richie ( Crusaders) and Mckenzie/Falcon
If McKenzie isn’t playing 10 for the chiefs then he can’t really count as a genuine option.
Richie could be injured for most of the season before the June series.
So Hansen could be left with picking out of Falcon, Gatland, Perofeta or Hunt for third 10When is Dagg due back? Cometh the hour, cometh the man!
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@mariner4life said in AB Positions up for grabs:
haha. Transalation "I only stick to my principles when we have options"
Not really, the ABs have always said they'll pick the best available (see TKB Nov last year) but if it came down to a choice of two similar, they'd pick the one staying. Basically, and correctly, you are either available for the ABs or not - and they'll pick the best for the team. In the case of Soapy he's def the next best but long term the ABs need to blood whomever is going to be No2 after Soapy has left. But if the lose Barrett they'll need at least one experienced 10 short term for the French.
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@crazy-horse said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@footy01 said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I think we could be struggling for a back up 10.
If you look at the 5 starting franchise 10s, you have Beauden(Canes), Lima ( Highlanders), Gatland/Perofeta (Blues), Richie ( Crusaders) and Mckenzie/Falcon
If McKenzie isn’t playing 10 for the chiefs then he can’t really count as a genuine option.
Richie could be injured for most of the season before the June series.
So Hansen could be left with picking out of Falcon, Gatland, Perofeta or Hunt for third 10When is Dagg due back? Cometh the hour, cometh the man!
Just saw on instagram that Dagg has returned to training with the Crusaders today!
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@stargazer in all seriousness I wonder if the Crusaders are considering him at 10? Hunt and Delaney are not 10s that you can win a championship with and Havili is looking good at the back.
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@crazy-horse I seriously doubt they're considering it. They may use his boot now and then, but that's about it. As far as I know, Dagg has never played at 10. I think Dagg will end up playing at 14 like last year, with Tamanivalu moving to 11 and Bridge to the bench.
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@crazy-horse said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer in all seriousness I wonder if the Crusaders are considering him at 10? Hunt and Delaney are not 10s that you can win a championship with and Havili is looking good at the back.
No chance, razor really rates Mitch hunt. Dagg defending at 10 gives me nightmares
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@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@crazy-horse said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer in all seriousness I wonder if the Crusaders are considering him at 10? Hunt and Delaney are not 10s that you can win a championship with and Havili is looking good at the back.
No chance, razor really rates Mitch hunt. Dagg defending at 10 gives me nightmares
But you're happy for him to defend at fullback?
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@mn5 said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@crazy-horse said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer in all seriousness I wonder if the Crusaders are considering him at 10? Hunt and Delaney are not 10s that you can win a championship with and Havili is looking good at the back.
No chance, razor really rates Mitch hunt. Dagg defending at 10 gives me nightmares
But you're happy for him to defend at fullback?
Nope, Havilli is first choice fullback for the crusaders these days.
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@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@mn5 said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@crazy-horse said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer in all seriousness I wonder if the Crusaders are considering him at 10? Hunt and Delaney are not 10s that you can win a championship with and Havili is looking good at the back.
No chance, razor really rates Mitch hunt. Dagg defending at 10 gives me nightmares
But you're happy for him to defend at fullback?
Nope, Havilli is first choice fullback for the crusaders these days.
Well he did play a number of tests at 15 for the ABs unless I'm mistaken.
....and they're a better team than the saders.
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@mn5 said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@mn5 said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@crazy-horse said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer in all seriousness I wonder if the Crusaders are considering him at 10? Hunt and Delaney are not 10s that you can win a championship with and Havili is looking good at the back.
No chance, razor really rates Mitch hunt. Dagg defending at 10 gives me nightmares
But you're happy for him to defend at fullback?
Nope, Havilli is first choice fullback for the crusaders these days.
Well he did play a number of tests at 15 for the ABs unless I'm mistaken.
....and they're a better team than the saders.
You asked my opinion and I gave it... ive never rated Dagg as a defender and have been pretty vocal about it on here.
So to answer your question, I’m not happy with dagg defending at fullback in any team
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@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@mn5 said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@mn5 said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@crazy-horse said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer in all seriousness I wonder if the Crusaders are considering him at 10? Hunt and Delaney are not 10s that you can win a championship with and Havili is looking good at the back.
No chance, razor really rates Mitch hunt. Dagg defending at 10 gives me nightmares
But you're happy for him to defend at fullback?
Nope, Havilli is first choice fullback for the crusaders these days.
Well he did play a number of tests at 15 for the ABs unless I'm mistaken.
....and they're a better team than the saders.
You asked my opinion and I gave it... ive never rated Dagg as a defender and have been pretty vocal about it on here.
So to answer your question, I’m not happy with dagg defending at fullback in any team
Fair call but 'nightmares' seems a bit over the top. He's no Merhts....
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Dagg has a big punt, but it's a fullback's punt -- there's a long and deep wind-up. Fullbacks who move into the line struggle to get their kicks away in time -- charge-downs were a real issue for Leon McDonald when he did it.
You'd have to be really desperate.
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@stargazer said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@crazy-horse I seriously doubt they're considering it. They may use his boot now and then, but that's about it. As far as I know, Dagg has never played at 10. I think Dagg will end up playing at 14 like last year, with Tamanivalu moving to 11 and Bridge to the bench.
Didn't he play 10 for the Highlanders in a few games ?
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@cgrant said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@crazy-horse I seriously doubt they're considering it. They may use his boot now and then, but that's about it. As far as I know, Dagg has never played at 10. I think Dagg will end up playing at 14 like last year, with Tamanivalu moving to 11 and Bridge to the bench.
Didn't he play 10 for the Highlanders in a few games ?
I don't think he did, but I remember him kicking goals for them though.
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@cgrant said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@stargazer said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@crazy-horse I seriously doubt they're considering it. They may use his boot now and then, but that's about it. As far as I know, Dagg has never played at 10. I think Dagg will end up playing at 14 like last year, with Tamanivalu moving to 11 and Bridge to the bench.
Didn't he play 10 for the Highlanders in a few games ?
I decided to check it and the answer is 'no'. All the games he played, he started at fullback (with Ben Smith starting most games at 14). First fives in those days included Dan Bowden, Jayden Hayward, Matt Berquist and Robbie Robinson.
