Netball
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We don't often talk netball, but, you know, we now suck at it. This is bad.
This article by Dana Johannsen seems to cover it off ...
Where to from here?
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We don't often talk netball, but, you know, we now suck at it. This is bad.
This article by Dana Johannsen seems to cover it off ...
Where to from here?
Southby out. Taurua Barnett in.
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Are you really a scapegoat if it actually is your fault?
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As I've said on Comm Games thread Mes was the best available shooter in NZ last year. Well apart from Catherine (was Latu) who Southby burned off but who shoots at over 90% season after season.
Southby has to go. Decided on a game plan that we didn't have the players to implement.
Netball NZ have to pick the best coaches rather than the one who's face fits.
The only good thing to come out of this debacle is surely they have to swallow their pride and appoint Noelene Taurua
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@dogmeat Re Taurua, do you know why they didn't shortlist her in the first place?
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I can't see Taurua signing up, she's committed to Lightening for the next 2 years. She's probably well over any dealings with NNZ after she didn't even make the short list last time.
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Taurua didn't make shortlist because she hadn't done all the necessary courses.
Reaching out to her would be like eating cold puke for NNZ but she's a winner. As for her Lightning contract - money talks
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The fact that NNZ even has courses as a pre-requisite just shows how ludicrously out of touch they are with reality.
When coaching a sport, since when has a course ever been better than real life top level experience? (Yes, I will be bitter til the end of time that someone of the calibre of Taurua was given the cold shoulder for someone as rubbish as Southby.)
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Surely the alarms bells should have been going off years ago when the Trans-Tasman comp became so one-sided it turned in to an unsustainable joke? I mean, it's not like the same situation is happening in rugby, but the Wallabies are going on their merry way...
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Taurua didn't make shortlist because she hadn't done all the necessary courses.
Reaching out to her would be like eating cold puke for NNZ but she's a winner. As for her Lightning contract - money talks
Sorry dogmeat but that's kaka, Taurua has more qualifications than any current Coach in netball New Zealand. If she didn't have the pre requisite qualifications for the job, she wouldn't have applied. It's personality driven, she doesn't fit within their framework like Tuivaiti, square pegs is round holes will not go.
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Read the Johannsen article regarding the coaching course:
Her elevation to the Ferns top job followed a controversial, and some might suggest bungled, appointment process that saw two coaches with more impressive records - Noeline Taurua and Julie Fitzgerald - overlooked for reasons unrelated to performance.
According to a former player close to the appointments process, Southby wowed in her presentation to the panel. She was well-prepared, well-researched and presented highly detailed plans of how she would bolster the Silver Ferns programme. The appointments panel also seemed to be unduly swayed by Southby having come through High Performance Sport NZ's coach accelerator programme alongside All Blacks coach Steve Hansen and Black Caps mentor Mike Hesson.
The high performance jargon and deep knowledge of coaching theory may have impressed the panel, but what they failed to consider was how that would translate in her dealings with the players. In other words, is this a coach that would command the locker room?
Had then-CEO Hillary Poole and former high performance manager Steve Lancaster - two ambitious administrators on whistle-stop appointments - placed more stock on the opinion of people within the sport, they would have arrived at a very different decision.
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yeah your both on the money.southby had gone thru the high performance program and taurua hadnt,but at the same time taurua is a prickly personality who says what she thinks and whats everything done her way.
dana Johannsen article is getting closer to what went on (as i have been told) but there is more going on than that. -
I've said elsewhere that the real reasons were Taurua's face didn't fit whereas Southby was an establishment coach Under 21's Fast 5.
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@ploughboy When's your expose coming out?
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probably said to much now.plus dana johannsen doing a good job.
none of the story is rocket science.
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You can go through all the detailed analysis you want and most of that is probably relevant. However, in every game except for the Aussie semi, the Ferns put up more shots than their opposition. That tells me the team isn't that far away. If they had two reliable shooters, they probably would have got silver. I think it is clear we are a long way behind Australia and there are big problems with the domestic competition and structure.
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all our shooters are much better than the shooting stats at gold coast. trouble is there confidence has been eroded over the last 6 months.plus look where they were shooting from miles to far out .the defenders were able to push them out and were able to get between them and the post.at the other end it was the we let them get under the post.
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Read the Johannsen article regarding the coaching course:
Her elevation to the Ferns top job followed a controversial, and some might suggest bungled, appointment process that saw two coaches with more impressive records - Noeline Taurua and Julie Fitzgerald - overlooked for reasons unrelated to performance.
According to a former player close to the appointments process, Southby wowed in her presentation to the panel. She was well-prepared, well-researched and presented highly detailed plans of how she would bolster the Silver Ferns programme. The appointments panel also seemed to be unduly swayed by Southby having come through High Performance Sport NZ's coach accelerator programme alongside All Blacks coach Steve Hansen and Black Caps mentor Mike Hesson.
The high performance jargon and deep knowledge of coaching theory may have impressed the panel, but what they failed to consider was how that would translate in her dealings with the players. In other words, is this a coach that would command the locker room?
Had then-CEO Hillary Poole and former high performance manager Steve Lancaster - two ambitious administrators on whistle-stop appointments - placed more stock on the opinion of people within the sport, they would have arrived at a very different decision.
Southby made a great presentation? Just like the Hurricanes board should have been fired for the Hammett hire, heads must roll at NZN (I think the article said most of those responsible have moved on but we need sacrifices!). Bring in a proven coach, not one who's good with powerpoint
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I can't understand how someone could think that the skills required to do well in an interview would be the same as the skills required to do well as a netball coach. You can say that for a lot of jobs but few are so high profile.
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The article in the Herald today with the Grant quotes was pretty telling, she pretty much said ‘the coach is shit, no one rates her & she has to go’ without actually saying it.
Good on her.
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The article in the Herald today with the Grant quotes was pretty telling, she pretty much said ‘the coach is shit, no one rates her & she has to go’ without actually saying it.
Good on her.
If a full scale player revolt is what it takes so be it. Southby should go quietly and save everyone the trouble
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I can't understand how someone could think that the skills required to do well in an interview would be the same as the skills required to do well as a netball coach. You can say that for a lot of jobs but few are so high profile.
I thought we had already learned that lesson with Mitchell and Hammett.
That article used Hansen and Hesson as equivalent examples but with success. Both of them went through a lot of pain but were good enough to come through eventually. Hansen earned his stripes keeping Wales down while Hesson had the luxury of everyone being used to failure from NZC. -
Stuart Lancaster is probably another good example of elevating a coach of this 'type' too early.
Without the success experience to support their ways, player confidence and buy in is eroded quickly.
Lancaster is now building back into being a very good coach the traditional way. -
Southby quits. Sounds like effective immediately.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/netball/105651613/janine-southby-resigns-as-silver-ferns-coach
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Southby has resigned!
Silver Ferns coach Janine Southby quits after horror 2018 season that saw team miss out on Comm Games medal
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Southby has announced today she is stepping down from her role.
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Huzzah!
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Worse NZ international coach ever.
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@virgil to be fair she's unlucky that Tana is in the domestic category...
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@virgil At least she wasn't saying "the key is the we".
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Good riddance. She was a stupid pick from the start, well out of her depth, and clearly the players hated her. You are never going to win anything with that kind of locker room atmosphere.
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@virgil Thou hast a very short memory when it comes to the Kiwis...
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@stargazer said in Netball:
Southby has resigned!
Southby has announced today she is stepping down from her role.
At least she did the right thing and fell on her sword. Now for the board to follow her out the door
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The key is in the we!! oh, hold on. Wrong sport, wrong coach!
Gets some kudos from me for stepping down, especially if there was any truth to NZ Netball not being able to ditch her and afford the payout. If the payout story is hot air then she's just jumped before being fired.
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http://www.netballnz.co.nz/news/detail/netball-new-zealand-announces-review-findings
Here's the link to the summary of the review.
It's only four pages and quite interesting - especially the paragraph (6) describing the culture Southby tried to implement, which sounds good in theory; the broader observations about high performance culture; and what NNZ proposes to do to address the shortcomings.
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@chris-b that reads like quite a sanitised summary. Certainly not much sniff of a player v coach divide, aside from the points about a player-centric focus not working for a largely junior squad. But probably not much value in explicitly stating that when you can read between the lines.
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"Get NTB on the phone "
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@paekakboyz They do note that the group "fractured" and paras 8 & 10 are fairly to the point in that regard.
Language in these sorts of reviews are usually pretty dispassionate and usually avoids unconstructive personal criticism, so it's not really surprising.
I guess, the point is to work out what went wrong and how to fix it rather than hanging people (Southby) out to dry.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12093183
Sounds like the team wanted stronger leadership and direction from the coach
