Bokke v Engerland Test 3
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No thread for this game yet? I'm surprised.
Teams not named yet (when is that happening?) but rumours that Cipriani is in line for a start.
Don't see that Ford is to blame for England losing their heads after 20 minutes each game. Farrell should be copping some blame for that. Likewise the players whose egos can't seem to handle not being as great as they think (yes you Mr Itoje)
Meanwhile old Eddie the numbers merchant is almost fully restored. Hasn't quite got into percentages to two decimal places yet but is trotting out all the stats around cap counts to explain the loss streak. Quoting how low on caps England are compared to the All Blacks last RWC (which must be a record we wont see broken in a while) but ignoring the relative cap count of South Africa.
In other Eddi-ism's England would have won except there are 25 other players not available back at home. OK, I'll concede that you may have stopped the Boks with 48 players on the field.
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England
Starters
15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 20 caps)
14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 36 caps)
13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)
12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 60 caps) captain
11 Mike Brown (Harlequins, 71 caps)
10 Danny Cipriani (Wasps, 15 caps)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 76 caps)1 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 58 caps)
2 Jamie George (Saracens, 27 caps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 12 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 53 caps)
5 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 21 caps)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 65 caps)
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 3 cap)
8 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 16 caps)Finishers
16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 7 caps)
17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 2 caps)
18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 10 caps)
19 Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 0 caps)
20 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 3 caps)
21 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, 7 caps)
22 Ben Spencer (Saracens, 2 cap)
23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 4 caps).
England head coach Eddie Jones has named his side to face South Africa in the final of three Tests at Newlands, Cape Town on Saturday 23rd June (KO 1605 BST live on Sky Sports Action & Main Event). There are three changes to the starting XV with Joe Marler (Harlequins) named in the front row replacing Mako Vunipola (Saracens), who returned home for family reasons earlier this week. Danny Cipriani (Wasps) will make his first start for England since 2008, replacing George Ford (Leicester Tigers) at fly half. Chris Robshaw (Harlequins) replaces Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps) at blindside flanker due to illness. Eddie Jones said: “We’ve had a really upbeat training week. We are up for the battle and are going to rip in on Saturday. We want another committed performance where it will be crucial to maintain our composure when the heat is on. “We are expecting a wet and windy old day at Newlands and have elected to play Danny Cipriani ahead of George Ford to give us a left-foot kicking option. We will need to jump out of the blocks quickly again and make sure we maintain that pressure and make good decisions. “I’ve been really impressed with the fortitude of the squad under Owen Farrell, who is a young captain, and with a number of young players who have really stuck to the task." -
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'Wet and windy' and Cipriani. That's the answer.
Said no-one ever.
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I like the balance of the bench more this week and with Simmons there, they have a player that brings something different rather that more of the same but not quite as good. Brown on the wing still baffles me though.
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@catogrande said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
I like the balance of the bench more this week and with Simmons there, they have a player that brings something different rather that more of the same but not quite as good. Brown on the wing still baffles me though.
In fairness to Brown, he's dotting the ball down.
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@booboo said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
I know we had the discussion about starters/finishers last week but flogging a dead horse as it were ...
He starts with 15 and finishes with 8?
No wonder they're blowing leads ...
/Dad joke
I think it's spelt Leyds. Plus there's another thread for ENG/SA blowing.
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@bones said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
@booboo said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
I know we had the discussion about starters/finishers last week but flogging a dead horse as it were ...
He starts with 15 and finishes with 8?
No wonder they're blowing leads ...
/Dad joke
I think it's spelt Leyds. Plus there's another thread for ENG/SA blowing.
That's worse than @booboo 's dad joke
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Springboks (in order of name and surname, franchise/club, caps and points – tries, conversions, penalties, drop-goals):
15 Warrick Gelant (Vodacom Bulls, 4, 5 – 1t)
14 S'Busiso Nkosi (Cell C Sharks, 2, 10 – 2t)
13 Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Bulls, 31, 40 – 8 t)
12 Andre Esterhuizen (Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
11 Aphiwe Dyantyi (Emirates Lions, 2, 5 – 1t)
10 Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions, 25, 210 – 2t, 40c 40p)
9 Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England, 13, 5 – 1t)
8 Duane Vermeulen (Unattached, 41, 15 – 3t)
7 Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers, 35, 20 – 4t)
6 Siya Kolisi (captain, DHL Stormers, 30, 20 – 4t)
5 Franco Mostert (Emirates Lions, 20, 5 – 1t)
4 RG Snyman (Vodacom Bulls, 2, 0)
3 Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers, 18, 0)
2 Chiliboy Ralepelle (Cell C Sharks, 24, 5 – 1t)
1 Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks, 100, 10 – 2t)Replacements:
16 Schalk Brits (Saracens, England, 10, 5 – 1t)
17 Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers, 26, 5 – 1t)
18 Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 3, 0)
19 Jean-Luc du Preez (Cell C Sharks, 12, 10 – 2t)
20 Sikhumbuzo Notshe (DHL Stormers, 3, 0)
21 Embrose Papier (Vodacom Bulls, 1, 0)
22 Handré Pollard (Vodacom Bulls, 28, 246 – 3t, 42c, 46p, 3d)
23 Willie le Roux (Wasps, England, 43, 55 – 11t).
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OK with both teams named do we predict a different outcome from the 2 other games? I dont I think the Bok's win this as well..
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Finishers may well determine this match, and if that's the case then SA by a ball hair
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@mikethesnow said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
Finishers may well determine this match, and if that's the case then SA by a ball hair
'Finishers'.
Such an odd term. Whenever I see it I have to quickly shut down my thoughts in case they go somewhere I don't want to go.
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Based on England's performances over the last year, I'm surprised no one has suggested fluffers and chokers...
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@stargazer said in Bokke v Engerland Test 3:
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins) replaces Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps) at blindside flanker due to illness.
Shields over-doing the chip butties while proving his English-ness?
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He's telling the press he's loving the pressure from losing. Told them last week he learns more from losing than winning.
England rugby supporters are worried that by Christmas he'll be the happiest, most knowledgeable coach in world rugby....
