Hurricanes 2019 Discussion



  • Time to look at the Hurricanes squad for 2019. Full blog post:



  • @stargazer Shouldn't Proctor, Umaga-Jensen and Aso all be midfield/outside backs?



  • @chris-b Yeah, maybe, the Canes are confusing. Their official squad list differs often from what they say about players' positions on their website.



  • Really the backs are fine, there's enough quality there to go around, experience and exciting newcomers - and well signed returnee! But man do we need some work on the props, locks and (lesser extent) loosies, and we need Coles and Aumua fit & firing, thanks



  • Fidow (if not injured) should bring some firepower upfront and Walker-Leawere is a strong lad. Nr.8 is a worry though with only one good option there (Gareth Evans).



  • @cgrant Yep, he may be too young for next SR season, but if the Canes are smart, they lock in Devan Flanders. It will be interesting to see how he goes in Mitre 10 Cup.



  • Incoming Hurricanes coach John Plumtree wants to recruit a towering, hard-hitting lock for next season, and may look abroad to find that player.
    
    He told Andrew Gourdie and Jim Kayes on RadioLIVE Sunday Sport that he wanted a South African lock, because New Zealand just "doesn't breed" them like that anymore.
    
    "When you look at our pack, we probably need a 6ft 9 [2.10cm] lock that is 140kgs, which would help," he said.
    
    "There a couple of big men floating around the country, but they're all in Canterbury at the moment.
    
    "We don't breed big guys, not like they do in South African and France."
    
    The tallest locks for the Hurricanes this season was Michael Fatialofa and Sam Lousi who stands at 2.01m, which is much shorter than the average South African lock, standing at 2.07m.
    
    He hopes to use a foreign-player spot for a second-rower, but he understands the logistics can be complicated.
    
    "We are allowed to have a foreigner in the side, and I'd definitely look for a lock.
    
    "We only have three more spots to fill, and I'm in no rush to full those up.
    
    "If one came available, I would look to sign them, but I'm not going to throw one on a plane and bring him over here.
    
    "There is a lot to consider when looking at a player from overseas.
    

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2018/07/super-rugby-hurricanes-target-massive-lock-for-2019-season.html



  • "We only have three more spots to fill"

    It would be great then, to know all the names of players who have already been signed.



  • "The average South African lock, standing at 2.07m". Is it a joke ?



  • @cgrant Strange comments fullstop. Who are these massive men who are a) in Canterbury; and b) inaccessible to the Canes?

    Well, there's Sam Whitelock, but he's not big enough for Plumtree.



  • @chris-b said in Hurricanes 2019 Discussion:

    @cgrant Strange comments fullstop. Who are these massive men who are a) in Canterbury; and b) inaccessible to the Canes?

    Well, there's Sam Whitelock, but he's not big enough for Plumtree.

    The only one around 140kg I can think of is Will Skelton and if I remember rightly he was a bit shit.



  • @cgrant said in Hurricanes 2019 Discussion:

    "The average South African lock, standing at 2.07m". Is it a joke ?

    It's odd. I looked at the locks in the South African SR squads and checked their height and weight via Wikipedia, and if the numbers are correct, only Lood de Jager and RG Snyman come close to 2.07m (both 2.06m) but are still way too light (both 125kg). Most of them are under 2m.



  • @stargazer I think we measure height slightly different down here in Wellington

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  • @toddy said in Hurricanes 2019 Discussion:

    @stargazer I think we measure height slightly different down here in Wellington

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    This post deserves at least 20 upvotes



  • cgrant commented yesterday
    Fidow (if not injured) should bring some firepower upfront and Walker-Leawere is a strong lad. Nr.8 is a worry though with only one good option there (Gareth Evans).

    Agree. we need more firepower in the forwards. What about Walker-Leawere at 8. So Fidow, Coles or Aumua along with Savea and WL. And the huge SA? lock that Plumtree is going to find. Smashing teams apart in the last 20 - 25 minutes (or for the full match).



  • Last season I reckon Rory Arnold was the tallest super rugby player at 208, Dom Bird is thereabouts too?

    2014 Tahs had a hard hitting saffer in Jacques Potgieter who towers in at 194cm. I just don't see why that recruit needs to so big? Even Bakkies Botha was smaller and he was as mean and hard as they come.



  • The only SA locks who are of international class are Eben Etzebeth (when fit) and Lood de Jager. The others are journeymen.



  • @cgrant said in Hurricanes 2019 Discussion:

    The only SA locks who are of international class are Eben Etzebeth (when fit) and Lood de Jager. The others are journeymen.

    New guy Snyman is very, very good.



  • @stargazer said in Hurricanes 2019 Discussion:

    @cgrant said in Hurricanes 2019 Discussion:

    "The average South African lock, standing at 2.07m". Is it a joke ?

    It's odd. I looked at the locks in the South African SR squads and checked their height and weight via Wikipedia, and if the numbers are correct, only Lood de Jager and RG Snyman come close to 2.07m (both 2.06m) but are still way too light (both 125kg). Most of them are under 2m.

    That's not light at all for those heights. That's probably around the ideal weight for locks that tall.

    They're both big human beings when you see them on the field.

    Snyman looks like he lives in the gym.
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    Lood de Jager definitely doesn't live in the gym(seriously, somebody get this man a bowflex), but he's still a big boy.
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  • Sam Lousi doesnt look 121kg or whatever it is he is listed as, think in the graphic shown before the semi last week he was 121 and Whitelock 120 yet the latter looks bigger.